Sun 1 Mar: SL: Huddersfield Giants v Wigan Warriors KO 3pm

[TBC]

11 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Small indeed, i wonder if any other 'local paper' only has 3 mentions of it's local top flight rugby league team all year?

Don't be too harsh - it's only 2 months in. 

[daz39]

1 hour ago, TBC said:

Don't be too harsh - it's only 2 months in. 

Nearly 3 but yeah maybe i am

i remember when it had 3 stories a DAY on Fartown !!!!!

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, daz39 said:

Nope and nope as i said on a previous topic there was a hate campaign by town's supporters association against Ken Davy which led to it being brainwashed into town fans that Ken and his rugby team are evil and the enemy,

as for local press, what local press? the Huddersfield examiner stopped being a local paper years ago and the coverage of the Giants is very very nominal.

We can't even get lapsed fans who would only come when we are winning again to show an interest despite us....well winning again.

 

we have 4,000 - 5,000 hardcore and maybe 1,000 floaters/fairweather fans max.

Why do they hate Ken Davy? I find it so weird that people in a town (eg Wigan and Huddersfield) love their team in one sport but hate the other. 

[Ant]

Short answer is, the former Town chairman ran a hate campaign because he wanted Ken to give him the shares in the stadium that were acquired when Town went bust and Ken took over for a brief time (following the collapse of ITV Digital) 

That left the Giants as 60% de facto owners of the stadium, so when the new Town chairman took over he expected the assets to be handed back for nothing, and not their actual value.

That chairman has gone now, and Town are on the slide again so I'd not be surprised if a good season sees some of those soccer fans come back to the Giants.

As for this sunday, I'm hopeful for a Giants win, but not confident. We are missing too many backs and Wigan's are good that said, I think we have a better pack and halfbacks so it promises to be a good game, weather permitting 

[davet]

Sezer v Hastings.  For me, whichever of these has the better game will be on the winning side.

Home advantage to count, 4 - 8pt victory for us.

[daz39]

5 hours ago, Eddie said:

Why do they hate Ken Davy? I find it so weird that people in a town (eg Wigan and Huddersfield) love their team in one sport but hate the other. 

Because when Ken stepped in to save HTFC from disappearing he also bought the football clubs shares in the stadium from the administrators for £2, when Town's new saviour chairman who was a town fan all his life but was nowhere to be seen till Ken had sorted the mess out wanted Ken to sell them back for £2, when he refused a 'return our shares' campaign was set up aided by the football clubs supporters association as they believed they could interfere with business dealings and bully Ken into giving in, it got that bad their (SA) chairman published Ken's home address on a forum and invited the incensed mob to go and 'persuade him'.

By now, brainwashed town fans were encouraged to not attend Giants games anymore so the hated Davy didn't get a penny of their money and obviously they abided and those who watched both had now cut their ties with the Giants as they didn't want to be seen to be flirting with the'enemy'.

Of course these actions didn't sit kindly with the Fartowners who weren't town fans and they then turned on town and their fans etc...all very petty by people who should have known better but the rift was caused and will take some healing, i can't see it happening as the football fans still have a solid hatred for Ken years after it all!!.

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, daz39 said:

Because when Ken stepped in to save HTFC from disappearing he also bought the football clubs shares in the stadium from the administrators for £2, when Town's new saviour chairman who was a town fan all his life but was nowhere to be seen till Ken had sorted the mess out wanted Ken to sell them back for £2, when he refused a 'return our shares' campaign was set up aided by the football clubs supporters association as they believed they could interfere with business dealings and bully Ken into giving in, it got that bad their (SA) chairman published Ken's home address on a forum and invited the incensed mob to go and 'persuade him'.

By now, brainwashed town fans were encouraged to not attend Giants games anymore so the hated Davy didn't get a penny of their money and obviously they abided and those who watched both had now cut their ties with the Giants as they didn't want to be seen to be flirting with the'enemy'.

Of course these actions didn't sit kindly with the Fartowners who weren't town fans and they then turned on town and their fans etc...all very petty by people who should have known better but the rift was caused and will take some healing, i can't see it happening as the football fans still have a solid hatred for Ken years after it all!!.

That is absolutely ###### and a massive shame. Surely having strong football and RL teams would be good for the town, such a strange mentality for the football fans to be that parochial. 

[meast]

22 hours ago, Eddie said:

Do you live in Huddersfield and if so have you noticed any additional interest in the town given the good start to the season, in the press or just round and about the place? Does Huddersfield Town’s fall from (recent) grace have an impact? 

Yes I do and no, there is some minimal interest from what I've seen but that doesn't equate to numbers.

We lost some casual fans when HTFC won promotion but there's no real correlation between our support and their performances.

There just isn't enough interest in the Giants in the Town

[Rupert Prince]

11 hours ago, Jim Prendle said:

I know what kind of forwards they are, and I’m sure that Huddersfield will do us the honour of not asking their bigger lads to run at them.

They are lightweight, no matter how you classify them.

So Bateman is lightweight?

[Jim Prendle]

1 minute ago, Rupert Prince said:

So Bateman is lightweight?

He is, but his quality and ferocity gets him past that issue, ISA doesn’t have either.

[longboard]

11 hours ago, TBC said:

Last 3 articles in Huddersfield Examiner under the 'Huddersfield Giants' section.

11th Feb - 'Underbank Rangers promise Bradford Bulls titanic Challenge Cup battle'

9th Feb - 'Huddersfield Giants postpone match over Storm Ciara safety concerns'

14th Jan - 'Rugby star admits being an alcoholic since he was 12'

At least these are related to 2020 not 2019.

Small mercies.

 

Do you read the hard copy of The Examiner TBC?

If so, are there more articles than in the online version?

(I don't live in Hudds.)

[Ant]

6 minutes ago, longboard said:

Do you read the hard copy of The Examiner TBC?

If so, are there more articles than in the online version?

(I don't live in Hudds.)

There might be, no one reads it under 80 though and online it's the worst kind of clickbait 

[longboard]

7 hours ago, Ant said:

Short answer is, the former Town chairman ran a hate campaign because he wanted Ken to give him the shares in the stadium that were acquired when Town went bust and Ken took over for a brief time (following the collapse of ITV Digital) 

That left the Giants as 60% de facto owners of the stadium, so when the new Town chairman took over he expected the assets to be handed back for nothing, and not their actual value.

That chairman has gone now, and Town are on the slide again so I'd not be surprised if a good season sees some of those soccer fans come back to the Giants.

As for this sunday, I'm hopeful for a Giants win, but not confident. We are missing too many backs and Wigan's are good that said, I think we have a better pack and halfbacks so it promises to be a good game, weather permitting 

Wasn't there also an issue some Town fans got wound up about, when Ken Davy set out what he would accept as payment and Dean Hoyle had a think about it, accepted it, but by then Ken Davy had changed his mind and withdrew it. Hoyle has said that the criticism of Ken Davy was over the top; he was right about that.

I don't know anybody who stopped going to watch Fartown owing to the wrangling about the purchase of the club and the shares in the stadium company, although I have come across people on social media who say they won't go to the odd game like they used to. 

Another gripe that some Town fans had about K Davy's time as the Town owner was the difficulty the club had in signing players, as he didn't pay agents' fees. Many football fans are good at spending other people's money!

Strangely enough, Dean Hoyle has been subject to some abuse about the deal for his sale of Town to the new chairman/main man, who has also been subject to abuse about the alleged lack of spending by the club. Antagonism and vile abuse seem to be de rigueur for some soccer fans....

On another point, many Town fans come from Dewsbury, Batley, Wakefield etc and if they follow a rugby team it's not usually Hudds.

My friends and family in the Fartown Massive also follow Town.

 

[longboard]

33 minutes ago, Ant said:

There might be, no one reads it under 80 though and online it's the worst kind of clickbait 

The state of The Examiner is like a lot of local papers and indeed has similarities to the situation of national papers, with significant reductions in the number of journalists and getting rid of specialist roles, eg rugby journos. The word that I have had from within the Giants is that they can get articles in the hard copy of The Zaminer if they write them. 

[TBC]

13 hours ago, longboard said:

The state of The Examiner is like a lot of local papers and indeed has similarities to the situation of national papers, with significant reductions in the number of journalists and getting rid of specialist roles, eg rugby journos. The word that I have had from within the Giants is that they can get articles in the hard copy of The Zaminer if they write them. 

That's correct. The Examiner hasn't had a dedicated rugby journo for some time. The last time I read the hard copy I had already read the articles word for word days before on the Giants website.

[TBC]

23 hours ago, Eddie said:

Why do they hate Ken Davy? I find it so weird that people in a town (eg Wigan and Huddersfield) love their team in one sport but hate the other. 

It's interesting the relationship between rugby league and football fans in the same town / city.

Are there many people in WIgan who support both clubs?

Hull FC an KR seem to do OK with attendances with a reasonably successful football team on their doorstep.

Not sure what the football competition is like in places lie Cas, Wakey, Widnes, Warrington, Saints etc.

 

[LeeF]

14 hours ago, longboard said:

The state of The Examiner is like a lot of local papers and indeed has similarities to the situation of national papers, with significant reductions in the number of journalists and getting rid of specialist roles, eg rugby journos. The word that I have had from within the Giants is that they can get articles in the hard copy of The Zaminer if they write them. 

The Examiner does have one of the best named journalists of all time - Wayne Ankers - and no that is not a made up name 

[TBC]

42 minutes ago, LeeF said:

The Examiner does have one of the best named journalists of all time - Wayne Ankers - and no that is not a made up name 

Indeed!

What were his parents thinking?

Should have steered clear of any 'W' christian names like the plague.

I also quite like another Examiner journo Stephen Chicken as a moniker.

[meast]

15 hours ago, longboard said:

The state of The Examiner is like a lot of local papers and indeed has similarities to the situation of national papers, with significant reductions in the number of journalists and getting rid of specialist roles, eg rugby journos. The word that I have had from within the Giants is that they can get articles in the hard copy of The Zaminer if they write them. 

The Examiner, like many papers that are now part of a national/international group of papers, don't care about physical copies anymore, they're only interested in website/social media clicks.

They care very little for the "communities" they are supposed to serve these days

[meast]

1 hour ago, TBC said:

It's interesting the relationship between rugby league and football fans in the same town / city.

Are there many people in WIgan who support both clubs?

Hull FC an KR seem to do OK with attendances with a reasonably successful football team on their doorstep.

Not sure what the football competition is like in places lie Cas, Wakey, Widnes, Warrington, Saints etc.

 

I have a football fans guidebook from around 20 years ago, which names clubs' local rivals, Wigan Athletics rivals were listed as Wigan RL!

[meast]

32 minutes ago, TBC said:

Indeed!

What were his parents thinking?

Should have steered clear of any 'W' christian names like the plague.

I also quite like another Examiner journo Stephen Chicken as a moniker.

Isn't there also someone called Lauren Ballacher as well?

[longboard]

1 hour ago, TBC said:

That's correct. The Examiner hasn't had a dedicated rugby journo for some time. The last time I read the hard copy I had already read the articles word for word days before on the Giants website.

It's strange that they do that, given that they want to sell hard copies. No doubt there is a reason.

[longboard]

1 hour ago, LeeF said:

The Examiner does have one of the best named journalists of all time - Wayne Ankers - and no that is not a made up name 

Indeed.

What were his parents thinking of giving him that moniker. He's made it all the way to Editor though. Perhaps it's been a bit like 'A Boy Named Sue' in the affect on him.

[TBC]

3 minutes ago, longboard said:

It's strange that they do that, given that they want to sell hard copies. No doubt there is a reason.

I thinks it's just down to costs - first sporting journo to go would probably be tiddly winks followed by RL.

[longboard]

21 minutes ago, meast said:

The Examiner, like many papers that are now part of a national/international group of papers, don't care about physical copies anymore, they're only interested in website/social media clicks.

They care very little for the "communities" they are supposed to serve these days

I don't know if that is the case, but hard copy sales are declining massively, unlike the sale of books. A bit like hard copy papers, the websites rely on generating advertising. The loss of most of the job adverts local papers hit them hard. One of the noticeable characteristics of the different newspaper websites is how many of the articles are the same, or very similar, eg there are many articles online about different sports on the various newspaper websites but the content is narrow and repeated with some small changes.