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11 hours ago, hindle xiii said:

I don't know how but get this dog involved.

Going round before games sampling local takeaway joints for his YouTube page ...

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Having seen some of the appalling abuse dished out on Twitter, I've deleted everything to do with it. In addition, I've put a number of posters of offensive opinions here on ignore, too. Its the only

Threatening behaviour whether it be in person or over the Internet has no place in rugby league or anywhere else. Death threats, I couldn't believe what I was reading, some people need to get a grip.

Is it not the case that it has always been this way though?  There’s always been a minority who spout stupid stuff on the terraces and in the pub.   It’s just that in the modern era of social med

1 hour ago, Johnoco said:

I aren't necessarily talking about extremists! Just people, maybe in a band I like but insist on droning on about stuff endlessly. 

I know - you can unfollow anybody 😉

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2 hours ago, Vambo said:

I also deleted my Twitter and Facebook accounts quite some time ago and not having to wade through that poison anymore is something I would highly recommend  to anyone.

I created an anonymous Facebook account where I only follow bands and venues purely to keep up to date with releases and (hopefully soon) gigs.

That's a thing I did in the past and it's a good idea. But I restarted after missing out on something that I really wish I'd known about. But as I say, it's all actual friends on there. 

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53 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I know - you can unfollow anybody 😉

Homeboy, I was on Twitter for years. I'd tried all that but still got a load of garbage I didn't want to know about. In the end it got the chop. 

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The social media post referenced in the article is a person saying he 'hopes' a member of staff dies.

While that is pretty abhorrent, can it actually be categorised as a death threat... i.e. threatening to actually do someone harm?

Some may label this as semantics but I would have thought there was a reasonable difference between the two things.

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20 hours ago, JohnM said:

Having seen some of the appalling abuse dished out on Twitter, I've deleted everything to do with it. In addition, I've put a number of posters of offensive opinions here on ignore, too. Its the only response, because Twitter isn't going to stop it, nor are the posters I've put on ignore. 

Is Twitter worse than Facebook or vice-versa or are they just as bad as each other ?. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Josef K said:

Is Twitter worse than Facebook or vice-versa or are they just as bad as each other ?. 

 

Twitter is much worse. FB is hardly perfect and there are plenty of morons of every persuasion on there. But Twitter has such limited characters (280 but was 140 until relatively recently) it hardly is going to encourage serious debate, even if people were capable of it. It also has a worse 'pile on' tendency because of this.

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2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

The social media post referenced in the article is a person saying he 'hopes' a member of staff dies.

While that is pretty abhorrent, can it actually be categorised as a death threat... i.e. threatening to actually do someone harm?

Some may label this as semantics but I would have thought there was a reasonable difference between the two things.

I'd agree with you there. Such comments are completely ridiculous, especially given the subject - not that it's ok otherwise of course.

But there is a difference between saying 'I hope you die' and 'I'm going to kill you'. Both terrible things to say of course but there definitely is a difference.

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5 hours ago, DavidM said:

Going round before games sampling local takeaway joints for his YouTube page ...

thought we'd nailed that.. why waste an opportunity to get 2 great YouTube influencers involved.. the dog could do reactions to the various mascots and how they interact with the crowd (looking at the type of dog it is it might, ahem, "quite like" the saints one which may make for some "interesting" viewing!)

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21 hours ago, JohnM said:

Having seen some of the appalling abuse dished out on Twitter, I've deleted everything to do with it. In addition, I've put a number of posters of offensive opinions here on ignore, too. Its the only response, because Twitter isn't going to stop it, nor are the posters I've put on ignore. 

I stepped away from Twitter about a year ago, it was hard at first but was one of the best things I've done. It is a cesspool of abuse mixed in with relentless virtual signalling. The day I realised it had the ability to affect my mood was the day I got rid.

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19 hours ago, lucky 7 said:

 

 

I do have an email account and this is the only forum of any sort i belong too and i can get along quite happily with this.

Why people sign up for twitter and similar social media accounts in beyond me

I can remember the days when it was a tenner to join, that separated the bad eggs! 

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18 hours ago, Johnoco said:

Twitter wasn’t initially that bad but degenerated badly and is just full of mouthy dickheads. I do use FB but only use it for people who I actually know in real life. I don’t argue much anymore online as I’d rather do it in person and if necessary give someone a slap. People throw insults around online that they simply wouldn’t dare in person, hence why arguments on here get out of hand. It is however well moderated on here and they do a good job.

The ability to step away on a forum/social media is very difficult and one that I've had to learn to do but I have now. The main reason is because stepping away from a discussion looks like weakness and a lack of conviction in your position. Funnily enough, this picture really helped.

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Social media seems to bring out the worst in people and highlights some problems in society but it also exaggerates issues in my opinion. I still think that society and the media hasn't learned how to deal with social media.

Take the past as an example. If you went to the Wembley final and during the course of the game saw 3 people kicked out for being drunk and violent, you would be hard pressed to suggest that the sport of RL has a significant problem with violence. The reasons are obvious, you can see 100,000 people and the ridiculousness of drawing a conclusion about the 100k based on the 3 bad eggs, most of whom at the final would be shaking their heads at.

However, with Twitter we don't seem to have the perspective. You could have 2 million people commenting on a football match, and yet a tiny number commenting about race/violence/general abuse will be picked up and amplified by traditional media as evidence of how depraved our society is. When you factor in the fact that people are doing it are often doing it because they know it will get a rise out of a famous person, then it further complicates things. I've always been in favour of the removal of anonymity to allow better prosecution and banning of those making such comments.

There is also perception and definition of abuse. My wife is a School Business Manager and showed me a thread recently about a SBM who had criticised schools for buying small gifts for staff at Christmas. After the initial backlash, the woman was expressing her upset at the level of abuse she had received for her comments and how distressing it had been. This led to a lot of support and expressions of disgust about how she had been treated. I decided to @ her name to see what the comments had been. I couldn't find a single one that anybody would class as abuse or in anyway nasty. Most people disagreed with her and said so, and I'm sure she found the volume distressing but it didn't constitute abuse.

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20 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I stepped away from Twitter about a year ago, it was hard at first but was one of the best things I've done. It is a cesspool of abuse mixed in with relentless virtual signalling. The day I realised it had the ability to affect my mood was the day I got rid.

A friend sent me a message via Twitter about two years ago that simply said, "Why do you follow and respond to people who obviously upset you?"

So, pretty much the same day, I set about unfollowing, blocking or muting any account which, whilst I might have started to follow (or see, if people were RTing or similar) that provoked a negative reaction. To a lesser extent, mainly because I'd already got rid of the dunderheaded false fact sharers in my family already, I did the same on Facebook.

I actually ended up removing a fair number of people/accounts whose politics I agreed with but whose mentality and approach I found wearying.

I meant what I said earlier, I really enjoy my Twitter space. I do also go back over what I've written intermittently and if I see that something's obviously been bugging me that maybe I hadn't noticed at the time then I watch out for the happening again. I find out too much about what's going in my very niche interests (German second division women's handball, for example) that I couldn't find out any other way to ever leave it completely unless another platform was already up and running.

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18 hours ago, moorside roughyed said:

Threatening behaviour whether it be in person or over the Internet has no place in rugby league or anywhere else. Death threats, I couldn't believe what I was reading, some people need to get a grip. It's only a game for gods sake. 

Yes 👏 absolutely this, we all love the game and take it pretty seriously, but when all’s said and done it’s still only a game, death threats ffs!!!! 😡

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27 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

A friend sent me a message via Twitter about two years ago that simply said, "Why do you follow and respond to people who obviously upset you?"

So, pretty much the same day, I set about unfollowing, blocking or muting any account which, whilst I might have started to follow (or see, if people were RTing or similar) that provoked a negative reaction. To a lesser extent, mainly because I'd already got rid of the dunderheaded false fact sharers in my family already, I did the same on Facebook.

I actually ended up removing a fair number of people/accounts whose politics I agreed with but whose mentality and approach I found wearying.

I meant what I said earlier, I really enjoy my Twitter space. I do also go back over what I've written intermittently and if I see that something's obviously been bugging me that maybe I hadn't noticed at the time then I watch out for the happening again. I find out too much about what's going in my very niche interests (German second division women's handball, for example) that I couldn't find out any other way to ever leave it completely unless another platform was already up and running.

we've noticed 😛 

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27 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

A friend sent me a message via Twitter about two years ago that simply said, "Why do you follow and respond to people who obviously upset you?"

So, pretty much the same day, I set about unfollowing, blocking or muting any account which, whilst I might have started to follow (or see, if people were RTing or similar) that provoked a negative reaction. To a lesser extent, mainly because I'd already got rid of the dunderheaded false fact sharers in my family already, I did the same on Facebook.

I actually ended up removing a fair number of people/accounts whose politics I agreed with but whose mentality and approach I found wearying.

I meant what I said earlier, I really enjoy my Twitter space. I do also go back over what I've written intermittently and if I see that something's obviously been bugging me that maybe I hadn't noticed at the time then I watch out for the happening again. I find out too much about what's going in my very niche interests (German second division women's handball, for example) that I couldn't find out any other way to ever leave it completely unless another platform was already up and running.

seriously though from you i have rekindled an enjoyment for Handball and a few other things that you have pointed out on social media which I had forgotten and that is very much a positive (and i apologise for the next couple of weeks of posts about our new dog.. i am sure the novelty will wear off soon)... 

Equally i have also had some run ins with people who i have played rugby with or who i have generally liked through work but then i have seen their comments to people or their postings and just thought "who the hell are you". a couple of times i have called them out but when they have "justified it" i have walked away.. 

My life is better for both parts but only if you do walk away from the latter otherwise you can definatley :kolobok_wink: get into a negative spiral 

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5 hours ago, Dunbar said:

The social media post referenced in the article is a person saying he 'hopes' a member of staff dies.

While that is pretty abhorrent, can it actually be categorised as a death threat... i.e. threatening to actually do someone harm?

Some may label this as semantics but I would have thought there was a reasonable difference between the two things.

It wasn’t a death threat it was an irate fan exclaiming his frustrations in absolutely the wrong way. He was wrong, it wasn’t a nice thing to say and I’m sure he’s embarrassed at how it’s made him look but it wasn’t a death threat as Carter is making it out to be.

Which of us hasn’t told someone to go play on the motorway or go jump of a cliff? We don’t mean it but if someone wants to be absurd and take it literally then in today’s ridiculous society they can make you look like some deranged vile individual.

 I honestly think Carter is missing his super trooper spotlight and needed to make it newsworthy so he could make it about him! As someone said earlier he is a bit of a drama queen!

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3 hours ago, Phil said:

Yes 👏 absolutely this, we all love the game and take it pretty seriously, but when all’s said and done it’s still only a game, death threats ffs!!!! 😡

Absolutely. 

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Stop pussy footing about and make social media companies subject to normal publishing laws. They have got away for too long claiming they are only platforms on which others publish. 

They make vasts amount of money by publishing all this ###### and its time they were properly held to account.

Try writing a letter to the times issuing death threats to someone and see how far you get.

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Someone mentioned the role of mainstream media, and suggested they didn't know how to deal with the wild west of social media. I think this is an oversimplification. Given the need to constantly provide the latest news, most if not all mainstream media outlets have teams of people doing nothing else apart from trawling social media looking for something, anything to put into their own sites.

These are often dumb but harmless "latest food trend divides the internet" but often include the "people demand [insert name] resign". The latter are highly dangerous to individuals because the mainstream media blows these things up into bigger stories and mainstream media - not just twitter people clicking a like/dislike in a vacuum - creates the push for knee-jerk responses by employers and the like.

That in turn creates a cycle where people see they have mob power and seek to use it so go looking for the next cause to pass judgement on with self important and self righteous anger. And repeat....

Its clear that rather than ignoring or deploring people piling onto someone else - in some cases with virtually no evidence but with awful impacts on those targeted - the traditional media is complicit and even encourages the power of the mob, if only by reinforcing the impression of how "important" the people in the mob are.

Worst of all there's no accountability. Members of the mob can join in accusing someone of being a terrible person. There's nothing to make them retract their comments or passing things on in the event they were wrong. Ditto mainstream media. 

I find him a bit insufferable at times, but Jon Ronson has at least taken the time to look more deeply into specific cases of cancel culture/mob rule.  I like to think we'll evolve into something a bit more sophisticated as a society, but who knows....

 

 

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Back to the original topic, why don’t Wakefield Trinity publicly identify the person that sent the tweet?  My philosophy is that if you give it you have to take it.

Anyway, I have never been on Twitter, Instagram, Messenger or any other waste of space platforms that saddo’s create.  I only joined Facebook about 8 years ago to join the campaign to oust the Board of Directors at Cas. Also I have never asked anyone to be my friend on Facebook but 108 people for some reason wanted to be my friend, so I have accepted them as I have good manners.  I never post anything as I cannot think of anything that I do that might interest others.  I am astounded when people put ‘I am eating a sandwich’ or to say ‘I am feeling tired today’.  If they are feeling that tired how come they had the energy to type those words, although using an emoji instead of typing the word tired may have helped them.

I do not give a Shiite about the thoughts, musings or inane ramblings of celebrities or anyone else in the world.  I cringe when people gush about the so called ‘Influencers’. I can assume that they have become an influencer because they are too damn stupid or work shy, or both, to get a proper job.

Finally, I was saddened to hear a news report a couple of weeks ago which highlighted a Teacher who decided to encourage her class to talk to each other.  So she finished the lesson 10 minutes early and asked the class to put their phones in their bag and talk to their peers sat close by.  After initial hesitancy some of the class did begin to converse with others but some pupils couldn’t handle it and just rested their head on their desk until the class ended.  The only saving grace in all this is that I am grateful that I will not be around when these people are running the world.

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2 hours ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

I was saddened to hear a news report a couple of weeks ago which highlighted a Teacher who decided to encourage her class to talk to each other.  So she finished the lesson 10 minutes early and asked the class to put their phones in their bag and talk to their peers sat close by.  After initial hesitancy some of the class did begin to converse with others but some pupils couldn’t handle it and just rested their head on their desk until the class ended.

File that under things that never happened.

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7 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

Well if it didn’t happen then the National ABC Radio Station over here were caught out as the item was on one of their programs. 

Do you have a link cos I couldn't find one?

It does sound like a load of old rubbish though.

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