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3 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Yes, that´s my point.  I meant casual markets don´t give a toss about the competitiveness, they are being asked to watch a 4 week fta tournament, not commit for a year. It´s only rugby league tragics who obsess about England being too good for Wales , Scotland France etc. 

Casual markets tune in to events with meaning.

They keep tuning in if they are entertained. 

Walkovers are not entertaining.

If the established markets aren't buying into it, the casuals aren't going to bother.

 

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1 minute ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Casual markets tune in to events with meaning.

They keep tuning in if they are entertained. 

Walkovers are not entertaining.

If the established markets aren't buying into it, the casuals aren't going to bother.

 

So create an annual event. 

People like watching England win.

See point two.

Four is wrong because most games are behind a paywall, 1.6 million watched England beat Scotland 38-12 in the four nations fta. That´s not a close game. 

Again, casuals are not being asked to watch every week. They are being asked to watch 80 minutes for four weeks a year... 

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Why not take England v France, Wales etc games to Coventry, London, Sheffield, Newcastle etc? The RFL don't show any ambition and use Leigh and Hull KR, which is what makes these matches seem small time. New audiences have shown appetite for International RL. 

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10 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

No it´s because the biggest TV market and the team eveyone wants to play is not in it. And no it´s not the same as Australia because there is no tv data that suggests Australia are a bigger draw than Scotland. The only thing that is the same is the selfishness of English RL not to join a northern hemisphere tournament. 

Edit: Or stupidity, because if anyone after this week thinks relying on New Zealand or Australia is a smart move then they are braindead. 

There is no TV data to suggest that Australia are a bigger draw than Scotland?

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1 minute ago, londonrlfan said:

Why not take England v France, Wales etc games to Coventry, London, Sheffield, Newcastle etc? The RFL don't show any ambition and use Leigh and Hull KR, which is what makes these matches seem small time. New audiences have shown appetite for International RL. 

What crowds would you expect these games to draw in these locations?

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Just now, Wellsy4HullFC said:

There is no TV data to suggest that Australia are a bigger draw than Scotland?

Last tv figures we had England vs Scotland got more than Eng vs Australia. Australia are no more a draw than NZ. These are empirical facts. The fact is, casuals don´t care as much as everyone else does about Australia. 

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1 minute ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

What crowds would you expect these games to draw in these locations?

England v Scotland drew 20k in Coventry. Why wouldn't matches with France and Wales (who to a non RL fan would be considered 'better' than Scotland) do the same if not better?

England v France in London would sell very well imo. I'd try the Olympic Stadium and go for 30-35k. 

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3 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

So create an annual event. 

People like watching England win.

See point two.

Four is wrong because most games are behind a paywall, 1.6 million watched England beat Scotland 38-12 in the four nations fta. That´s not a close game. 

Again, casuals are not being asked to watch every week. They are being asked to watch 80 minutes for four weeks a year... 

It is evident that people don't just like watching England win. In fact, I've spoken to many many fans the wanted the Combined Nations to beat England because it featured players from their clubs in.

That TV rating had more to do with what the tournament was and who was involved in it rather than the team that was in it. It all contributed towards a bigger goal.

The reasons you are saying people won't be interested in games because they don't involve England are the same as the reasons people don't be interested in games because they don't involve Australia.

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5 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

England v Scotland drew 20k in Coventry. Why wouldn't matches with France and Wales (who to a non RL fan would be considered 'better' than Scotland) do the same if not better?

England v France in London would sell very well imo. I'd try the Olympic Stadium and go for 30-35k. 

Forget the Olympic Stadium went when we played the Kiwis bloody rubbish atmosphere even had stewards telling fans to take down the flags would never go there again for a RL game. 

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5 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

England v Scotland drew 20k in Coventry. Why wouldn't matches with France and Wales (who to a non RL fan would be considered 'better' than Scotland) do the same if not better?

England v France in London would sell very well imo. I'd try the Olympic Stadium and go for 30-35k. 

England v Scotland was part of a double header with Australia v New Zealand. Let's not pretend it was 20k purely for it being England v Scotland.

They wouldn't do better because the tournament involving them wouldn't have as much meaning as a 4N tournament featuring the best nations in the world.

I think the idea of tricking casual fans into thinking they're going to be watching a top class contest because it involves national teams is pretty insulting to the casual sports fan.

If you think England v France at the Olympic Stadium could draw 30-35k, you are dillusional. England struggle to draw that against Australia and New Zealand in London.

 

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2 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

England v Scotland drew 20k in Coventry. Why wouldn't matches with France and Wales (who to a non RL fan would be considered 'better' than Scotland) do the same if not better?

England v France in London would sell very well imo. I'd try the Olympic Stadium and go for 30-35k. 

The game at Coventry was a double header so Aus v NZ would have been a draw for some of the crowd too so no guarantee of similar for a standalone England v Scotland game. I was at that double header and was looking forward to both games (my mum is a Scot so I was glad to see them in the Four Nations). As it turned out England v Scotland was easily the better of the two games IMO as Scotland gave it a real go but ran out of steam whilst NZ just didn't turn up and Australia won without breaking sweat. Scotland continued to do themselves proud when they later drew with NZ in that tournament.

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2 minutes ago, Devon Ram said:

Forget the Olympic Stadium went when we played the Kiwis bloody rubbish atmosphere even had stewards telling fans to take down the flags would never go there again for a RL game. 

Oh I agree, the Olympic Stadium is awful. Unfortunately, there aren't any 30-35k stadiums in London, unless you opt for somewhere like Crystal Palace, which is a complete dump. 

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9 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

It is evident that people don't just like watching England win. In fact, I've spoken to many many fans the wanted the Combined Nations to beat England because it featured players from their clubs in.

That TV rating had more to do with what the tournament was and who was involved in it rather than the team that was in it. It all contributed towards a bigger goal.

The reasons you are saying people won't be interested in games because they don't involve England are the same as the reasons people don't be interested in games because they don't involve Australia.

But people were interested in Eng vs Scotland so that´s a contradiction and again, if you have an annual tournament you give games meaning. Again, you´ve not presented any alternative (remember, Australia and New Zealand are no longer an option.)

I wouldn´t have Eng play France in England or Wales. 4 nations, England play Wales in Cardiff Arms Park, France in France. Jam in Plogh Lane or Brentford stadium then a final up north. Smallish but full stadiums so it looks great on tv (the real audience). 

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1 minute ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

If you think England v France at the Olympic Stadium could draw 30-35k, you are dillusional. England struggle to draw that against Australia and New Zealand in London.

 

England v Australia at Wembley 2011 42k, England v NZ Wembley 2013 67k, England v NZ Olympic 2015 44k. How did any of them struggle to get 30k?

You underestimate Londoners. We turn up to watch sport, regardless if we're 'experts' in the sport on not. France are a big name in sporting terms. It's not like playing the Cook Islands, is it? 

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1 minute ago, londonrlfan said:

Oh I agree, the Olympic Stadium is awful. Unfortunately, there aren't any 30-35k stadiums in London, unless you opt for somewhere like Crystal Palace, which is a complete dump. 

Was looking forward to going to Spurs & have ticket booked for the Emirates, living in Devon ideal having games in London but not stupid KO times like Schofield has come out with 5pm for Cup Final idiot leave it alone 3pm.

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If the World Cup is cancelled, you can come up with all the permutations you like - there will be no appetite for International RL to be staged or watched in the UK in 2021. It's hard for me to type but it is true. 

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If we are going to play our European Neighbor's lets look at best places to play the games Wales start in the North West, Scotland Newcastle ? France i have said it before got to have one in France to help with them getting the World Cup. If we was to play likes of Serbia look into if there's a big community in England then look at playing in that area, all these things need to be thought about anything to help promote the game.

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7 minutes ago, Scubby said:

If the World Cup is cancelled, you can come up with all the permutations you like - there will be no appetite for International RL to be staged or watched in the UK in 2021. It's hard for me to type but it is true. 

Think positive, it wont be cancelled to much invested in it to let the NRL bully us.

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10 minutes ago, Scubby said:

If the World Cup is cancelled, you can come up with all the permutations you like - there will be no appetite for International RL to be staged or watched in the UK in 2021. It's hard for me to type but it is true. 

It won't be cancelled, but we need to plan for life without the NRL for future internationals and tournaments. They have held IRL back for too long now. 

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1 hour ago, Futtocks said:

Has this been posted yet? They are planning to scupper the women's World Cup by pushing back the start of the NRLW season to October. Note that the World Cup does not get a single mention in this article.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/07/30/nrlw-now-a-standalone-october-event-after-kick-off-delay/?utm_source=WomensFBContent&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=NetworkContent

Yes - few pages back. But there has been a lot said today.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

Yes - few pages back. But there has been a lot said today.

I assumed so, but I didn't want to click back through several hundred posts on the same circular arguments.

"We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato."  Don Estelle

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1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

I assumed so, but I didn't want to click back through several hundred posts on the same circular arguments.

Essentially your observation that it ends the possibility of a women’s World Cup was duly noted.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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I love the fact that the NRL clubs say they’ll do it next year. Australia is so far behind and has screwed up the vaccination process so much they’re years behind the likes of ourselves and the USA in going back to normality. 
 

If all they do is close the boarders and shut down at every outbreak they could easily be stuck in the same cycle for the next 5 years.

There will come a time when NRL games are cancelled due to COVID outbreaks and the clubs will have to decide how best to live with the virus. 

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22 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

I assumed so, but I didn't want to click back through several hundred posts on the same circular arguments.

Yes it was mentioned half way through chapter 12 

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