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9 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

It is evident that people don't just like watching England win. In fact, I've spoken to many many fans the wanted the Combined Nations to beat England because it featured players from their clubs in.

That TV rating had more to do with what the tournament was and who was involved in it rather than the team that was in it. It all contributed towards a bigger goal.

The reasons you are saying people won't be interested in games because they don't involve England are the same as the reasons people don't be interested in games because they don't involve Australia.

But people were interested in Eng vs Scotland so that´s a contradiction and again, if you have an annual tournament you give games meaning. Again, you´ve not presented any alternative (remember, Australia and New Zealand are no longer an option.)

I wouldn´t have Eng play France in England or Wales. 4 nations, England play Wales in Cardiff Arms Park, France in France. Jam in Plogh Lane or Brentford stadium then a final up north. Smallish but full stadiums so it looks great on tv (the real audience). 

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1 minute ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

If you think England v France at the Olympic Stadium could draw 30-35k, you are dillusional. England struggle to draw that against Australia and New Zealand in London.

 

England v Australia at Wembley 2011 42k, England v NZ Wembley 2013 67k, England v NZ Olympic 2015 44k. How did any of them struggle to get 30k?

You underestimate Londoners. We turn up to watch sport, regardless if we're 'experts' in the sport on not. France are a big name in sporting terms. It's not like playing the Cook Islands, is it? 

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1 minute ago, londonrlfan said:

Oh I agree, the Olympic Stadium is awful. Unfortunately, there aren't any 30-35k stadiums in London, unless you opt for somewhere like Crystal Palace, which is a complete dump. 

Was looking forward to going to Spurs & have ticket booked for the Emirates, living in Devon ideal having games in London but not stupid KO times like Schofield has come out with 5pm for Cup Final idiot leave it alone 3pm.

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If the World Cup is cancelled, you can come up with all the permutations you like - there will be no appetite for International RL to be staged or watched in the UK in 2021. It's hard for me to type but it is true. 

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If we are going to play our European Neighbor's lets look at best places to play the games Wales start in the North West, Scotland Newcastle ? France i have said it before got to have one in France to help with them getting the World Cup. If we was to play likes of Serbia look into if there's a big community in England then look at playing in that area, all these things need to be thought about anything to help promote the game.

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7 minutes ago, Scubby said:

If the World Cup is cancelled, you can come up with all the permutations you like - there will be no appetite for International RL to be staged or watched in the UK in 2021. It's hard for me to type but it is true. 

Think positive, it wont be cancelled to much invested in it to let the NRL bully us.

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10 minutes ago, Scubby said:

If the World Cup is cancelled, you can come up with all the permutations you like - there will be no appetite for International RL to be staged or watched in the UK in 2021. It's hard for me to type but it is true. 

It won't be cancelled, but we need to plan for life without the NRL for future internationals and tournaments. They have held IRL back for too long now. 

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1 hour ago, Futtocks said:

Has this been posted yet? They are planning to scupper the women's World Cup by pushing back the start of the NRLW season to October. Note that the World Cup does not get a single mention in this article.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/07/30/nrlw-now-a-standalone-october-event-after-kick-off-delay/?utm_source=WomensFBContent&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=NetworkContent

Yes - few pages back. But there has been a lot said today.

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

Yes - few pages back. But there has been a lot said today.

I assumed so, but I didn't want to click back through several hundred posts on the same circular arguments.

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1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

I assumed so, but I didn't want to click back through several hundred posts on the same circular arguments.

Essentially your observation that it ends the possibility of a women’s World Cup was duly noted.

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I love the fact that the NRL clubs say they’ll do it next year. Australia is so far behind and has screwed up the vaccination process so much they’re years behind the likes of ourselves and the USA in going back to normality. 
 

If all they do is close the boarders and shut down at every outbreak they could easily be stuck in the same cycle for the next 5 years.

There will come a time when NRL games are cancelled due to COVID outbreaks and the clubs will have to decide how best to live with the virus. 

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22 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

I assumed so, but I didn't want to click back through several hundred posts on the same circular arguments.

Yes it was mentioned half way through chapter 12 

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9 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Yes it was mentioned half way through chapter 12 

I knew we shouldn't have hired Peter Jackson to direct this thread!

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40 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

England v Australia at Wembley 2011 42k, England v NZ Wembley 2013 67k, England v NZ Olympic 2015 44k. How did any of them struggle to get 30k?

You underestimate Londoners. We turn up to watch sport, regardless if we're 'experts' in the sport on not. France are a big name in sporting terms. It's not like playing the Cook Islands, is it? 

England v Australia at Wembley was the first time they'd played an international game at Wembley in years.

England v NZ at Wembley was a semi final WC double header.

England v NZ at Olympic Stadium was the first RL game at Olympic Stadium. England v Australia the very next year only attracting 35k to the Olympic Stadium shows how quickly that novelty wore off for arguably a bigger game in a bigger tournament.

I don't underestimate Londoners. All of these games had huge traveling audiences and were part of much bigger events with some novelty attached to them. England v France in London would not as a large traveling audience, so would largely on that London support. If it were there in such big numbers, the RFL would hold more games down there. It's not there and you have very little evidence to support that it is there.

To suggest England v France would attract 35k outside of a major tournament like the WC is utter fantasy.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

England v Australia at Wembley was the first time they'd played an international game at Wembley in years.

England v NZ at Wembley was a semi final WC double header.

England v NZ at Olympic Stadium was the first RL game at Olympic Stadium. England v Australia the very next year only attracting 35k to the Olympic Stadium shows how quickly that novelty wore off for arguably a bigger game in a bigger tournament.

I don't underestimate Londoners. All of these games had huge traveling audiences and were part of much bigger events with some novelty attached to them. England v France in London would not as a large traveling audience, so would largely on that London support. If it were there in such big numbers, the RFL would hold more games down there. It's not there and you have very little evidence to support that it is there.

To suggest England v France would attract 35k outside of a major tournament like the WC is utter fantasy.

 

 

The lower crowd for England v Australia at the Olympic Stadium was a direct result of the woeful set up of the previous game v New Zealand. I don’t think words can express how dire it was.

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52 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

But people were interested in Eng vs Scotland so that´s a contradiction and again, if you have an annual tournament you give games meaning. Again, you´ve not presented any alternative (remember, Australia and New Zealand are no longer an option.)

I wouldn´t have Eng play France in England or Wales. 4 nations, England play Wales in Cardiff Arms Park, France in France. Jam in Plogh Lane or Brentford stadium then a final up north. Smallish but full stadiums so it looks great on tv (the real audience). 

The novelty of England v Scotland will very quickly wear off if it happened annually and it was a drubbing. That Scotland side had to qualify for the 4N and were a good side that earned that place in merit. But playing them annually would become very dull very quickly, especially since they are now a shadow of the side they once were.

 

Like I said, the idea of teams qualifying for a tournament I don't mind, but not playing the same sides every year.

 

What was the interest like for the 2012 Euro Tri Nations?

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

The lower crowd for England v Australia at the Olympic Stadium was a direct result of the woeful set up of the previous game v New Zealand. I don’t think words can express how dire it was.

What was so dire about it?

I recall the atmosphere being very dull as well as the game, but not much else. I did spend most of the pre-match in the ticket queue though having stupidly forgotten my tickets at home, so didn't get much chance to take in the festivities!

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2 hours ago, londonrlfan said:

I haven't said England should play a team of amateurs. I said no reason why we can't play France, Wales, Jamaica, Scotland and Ireland. These are all made up of SL players, so none of them are amateurs ...

Just browse the recent teams for France, Wales, Jamaica, Scotland and Ireland and reconsider what you said.

There have been many players from outside SL and several amateurs, particularly in the Scotland and Ireland teams.

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3 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

Who's Gollum on this thread then?! 😜

Phil Gould.

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Just now, Wellsy4HullFC said:

What was so dire about it?

I recall the atmosphere being very dull as well as the game, but not much else. I did spend most of the pre-match in the ticket queue though having stupidly forgotten my tickets at home, so didn't get much chance to take in the festivities!

Festivities = “fanzone” in a mostly empty car park with the Rugby AM guys cracking in jokes on a stage *and naff all else*

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5 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Phil Gould.

V'landys is Sauron, certainly has the dark menacing presence.

Solly is Saruman, used to be good but corrupted by evil.

NRL clubs are the Nazgul.  

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