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Sat 24th Sept: SLGF: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos KO 18:00 (Sky)


Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • St Helens by 13 points or more
      13
    • St Helens by 7 to 12 points
      24
    • St Helens by 1 to 6 points
      5
    • Leeds Rhinos by 1 to 6 points
      26
    • Leeds Rhinos by 7 to 12 points
      15
    • Leeds Rhinos by 13 points or more
      1

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  • Poll closed on 24/09/22 at 17:30

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1 hour ago, Damien said:

You are getting subjective now and its easy to selectively quote examples to suit a view. Spankings happen between teams and have done for a long time.

Im not sure we can compare teams 20 years apart, there are far too many variables for that and things have changed a lot. Leeds were a shower for a third of the season and still made the final, which wouldnt have happened from when you quote 20 years ago with the play off system then in place.

It could easily be argued that Leeds looked last night and every bit the 5th placed team they are. Saints were better in every department and it was only Leeds grit and resilience, to their credit, that kept it close. I'm not sure why a 5th placed team from 20 years ago wouldn't have done similar.

To be honest those were the first two examples I looked up - I'm arguing against the point "The gulf between 1st and 5th has never been wider" - results and comparison is about the only way to do it as surely to make that statement in the first place someone (not you, I appreciate) has to make a brief hypothetical comparison across the decades.

There is nothing particularly in your post that backs up that yes the chasm is wider than ever, (if anything, you're arguing it's about the same, so it's certainly not wider than ever) so I think we're probably arguing at cross purposes. 

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3 minutes ago, Amber Avenger said:

To be honest those were the first two examples I looked up - I'm arguing against the point "The gulf between 1st and 5th has never been wider" - results and comparison is about the only way to do it as surely to make that statement in the first place someone (not you, I appreciate) has to make a brief hypothetical comparison across the decades.

There is nothing particularly in your post that backs up that yes the chasm is wider than ever, (if anything, you're arguing it's about the same, so it's certainly not wider than ever) so I think we're probably arguing at cross purposes. 

Fair enough, Im just replying to what you said and vice versa. You are indeed correct that we are arguing at cross purposes so happy to leave it.

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6 minutes ago, Damien said:

Yes because calling an entirely fact based post nonsense is real insightful.

It's not fact though it's your opinion. I've listed 3 or 4 reasons why I disagree and you've not been able to give one reason why I'm wrong.

We'll agree to disagree on this one.

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5 minutes ago, SalfordSlim said:

It's not fact though it's your opinion. I've listed 3 or 4 reasons why I disagree and you've not been able to give one reason why I'm wrong.

We'll agree to disagree on this one.

Now you are talking nonsense and dont seem to understand what a fact is. It is a fact that for the first 12 years when we had more difficult play off systems in place that we never had a team from below 3rd get to the Grand Final. Now you may not like that because it doesn't suit your opinion but it is a fact nonetheless and it certainly is not nonsense as per your assertion.

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15 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Game went as expected really. As has been said all season, the overall standard of the league hasn’t been great and I don’t think there’s ever been such a gulf between first and fifth. An amazing effort for Leeds to get there with the games they’ve had to win, but tonight there were a little reminiscent of the team that started the season rather than the one that has finished. Don’t think Saints even got out of second gear.

My two penneth of the ‘greatest team’ discussion is that the (lack of) overall strength of the league means Saints aren’t really worthy of mention alongside the Wigan sides of the 80s and 90s. Maybe some of the younger lads will go on to have great careers, but Roby aside I don’t think there will be many of them that we will be reeling off in 30 years in the same manner as those Wigan sides (or even some of the Saints and Leeds sides in the SL era)

Was that the Wigan side of the 80's who were all professional whilst all the other teams were part timers. Saints are easily the most successful club in the Super league era!

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1 minute ago, Action Man said:

Was that the Wigan side of the 80's who were all professional whilst all the other teams were part timers. Saints are easily the most successful club in the Super league era!

1st post, with this username anyhow, and repeating the same tired old myths. No it wouldn't be that Wigan side because the Wigan side in the 80s certainly weren't all professional.

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3 minutes ago, Damien said:

1st post, with this username anyhow, and repeating the same tired old myths. No it wouldn't be that Wigan side because the Wigan side in the 80s certainly weren't all professional.

It’s a coping mechanism. 

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21 minutes ago, Pie tries said:

Anyone got news re the stadium?

Possibly a decision at the end of the month. The council committee (or whatever they're called) have cancelled the last 2 meetings so I think the next is on something like the 29th.

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13 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

It’s a coping mechanism. 

It's just a really weird view because it overlooks just how great Widnes were and what great players they had. I would view Wigans 1989-90 Championship win as the 90s so Wigan actually only won the league once in the 80s anyway, in 1986-87. When it comes to great teams that Widnes team of the late 80s is up there with any.

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27 minutes ago, Damien said:

1st post, with this username anyhow, and repeating the same tired old myths. No it wouldn't be that Wigan side because the Wigan side in the 80s certainly weren't all professional.

Everyone has to make a first post even you!...To say that Wigan didn't have an unfair advantage in the 80's and early 90's shows a lack of education. And to question the FACT that Saints have been the most consistent and successful side in the Super League era also shows a lack of education.

9 times Grand Final Winners

10 times Super League Winners.

All factual content!

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24 minutes ago, Action Man said:

Everyone has to make a first post even you!...To say that Wigan didn't have an unfair advantage in the 80's and early 90's shows a lack of education. And to question the FACT that Saints have been the most consistent and successful side in the Super League era also shows a lack of education.

9 times Grand Final Winners

10 times Super League Winners.

All factual content!

They didn't have an unfair advantage though, that is ludicrous. They weren't even the most successful side of the 80s and weren't fully professional in the 80s either. At least try and get some facts right.

I never mentioned Saints to even question anything about them. Bizarre.

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4 hours ago, Josef K said:

Bloody hell dkw i didn’t know NME had a station, i’ll have to try and get that on DAB. When i know Craig Charles or other DJ’s come on playing dance stuff i switch off. 

It's an excellent channel, if you like indie music, 80's and 90's stuff.

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2 hours ago, Action Man said:

Was that the Wigan side of the 80's who were all professional whilst all the other teams were part timers. Saints are easily the most successful club in the Super league era!

I agree with second sentence - and the scale of their success is an absolutely damning indictment on the efforts from the other clubs, Wigan included, who have not been intelligent enough or worked hard enough.

As to your first sentence, that’s not true, but it is often stated as fact because let’s face it, with my WDL helmet on, if Wigan did something it must be wrong. 

May I suggest you start a thread called Why Saints are the Best Ever Team, and post on it every day, so it stays on the first page? Tbh, I’m surprised fearthevee and Saint Toppy haven’t already done so…

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38 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

You said that Leeds name was dragged into the gutter and I wondered where you thought it started from. It was an off the cuff late night attempt at humour. Probably not that funny and wasn't meant seriously anyway.

I thought it was a funny joke. 

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I haven’t read any of the comments about the game yet and ive yet to rewatch it but my thoughts. 
Leeds really gave Saints a match, i don’t think they could’ve give anymore than they did. I do feel they have a chance of winning something next season if they can remain injury free in their spine. Everyone sees a game differently but Blake Austin & Hardaker were fantastic for Leeds. 

As like most people Lomax was my MoM, but also Sironen, Bennison had cracking games. But i have to give a special mention to Hopoate, he may have only walked or jogged for most of the match but his try saving tackle on Martin (i think it was) stopped a certain try. The two Leeds tries were crackers especially the first one. 
I have never had a bad spec at OT, but the constant going to the bar every 5mins by some fans is a ball ache. 
The Saints fan who ran on the pitch what a fool i am hoping he gets a fine and is banned from every RL ground. That also goes to the Leeds fans who threw bottles at Makinson at FT, i hope they are dealt with but i always get the feeling because it’s RL the pitch-invading, bottle throwing fans get away lightly as “RL IS A FAMILY GAME”. 
Finally Liam Moore he officiated the match really well. 

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4 hours ago, Action Man said:

Was that the Wigan side of the 80's who were all professional whilst all the other teams were part timers. Saints are easily the most successful club in the Super league era!

Well said   
Saints success is no accident and unlike that Wigan team not based on a financial advantage or poaching other teams star players 

- Great committed chairman with a business brain

- fantastic academy production line

- own own stadium and generate year round income from it

- able to spot potential in the championship 

- able to spot and sign underperforming or out of favour players and give them a second chance

- fantastic culture and players obviously happy

- letting players go at the right time

- a real connection with the local community and even big name superstars knowing they are a part of something 

Over the years Saints have developed this and I would not bet against it being 5 in a row next year

 

 

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31 minutes ago, headtackle said:

Well said   
Saints success is no accident and unlike that Wigan team not based on a financial advantage or poaching other teams star players 

- Great committed chairman with a business brain

- fantastic academy production line

- own own stadium and generate year round income from it

- able to spot potential in the championship 

- able to spot and sign underperforming or out of favour players and give them a second chance

- fantastic culture and players obviously happy

- letting players go at the right time

- a real connection with the local community and even big name superstars knowing they are a part of something 

Over the years Saints have developed this and I would not bet against it being 5 in a row next year

Odd you have a bash at Wigan then list things that make Saints successful, things that the Wigan team you loathe also had.

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3 hours ago, headtackle said:

Well said   
Saints success is no accident and unlike that Wigan team not based on a financial advantage or poaching other teams star players 

- Great committed chairman with a business brain

- fantastic academy production line

- own own stadium and generate year round income from it

- able to spot potential in the championship 

- able to spot and sign underperforming or out of favour players and give them a second chance

- fantastic culture and players obviously happy

- letting players go at the right time

- a real connection with the local community and even big name superstars knowing they are a part of something 

Over the years Saints have developed this and I would not bet against it being 5 in a row next year

 

 

Great post. This should be the objective of every club…

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On 24/09/2022 at 19:09, JohnM said:

Its half time. Maybe they are in the bar or the bog.

I hope they wasn’t buying the PG Tips tea, it was ###### from the men’s bogs mixed with dandruff brushed up from the concourse used as a substitute for powdered milk. UTD are worth billions yet they don’t even have any UHT, keep away from the tea it’s abdominal. 

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