Salford fan shares and financial issues.

[Oxford]

7 hours ago, LeytherRob said:

There is a difference between wishing Salford harm and discussing whether they are in danger and the extent, and i can only see the latter on here.

Sorry, but what in my post, didn't draw this distinction?

[Oxford]

6 hours ago, idrewthehaggis said:

Hey ho the auld RL family Oxford.

It's a family of embarassing uncles at the wedding and  old bread at the party!

What I asked was where do you draw the line between one thing and the other.

Clearly people don't see any difference.

Which, I suppose, explains why being on't'interweb is so positive  all the time.

[The Daddy]

22 minutes ago, Oxford said:

It's a family of embarassing uncles at the wedding and  old bread at the party!

What I asked was where do you draw the line between one thing and the other.

Clearly people don't see any difference.

Which, I suppose, explains why being on't'interweb is so positive  all the time.

So your not concerned about the future of the club or it's SL status based on that statement, or dyou think everything is cushty?

[Exiled red]

Exeter football club maybe a better point of reference than Hearts larger model.

The club is owned by the supporters Trust and members pay a minimum of £2 with no maximum. There are currently 3k members.

The fans elect a trust board and then from there they are chosen to go on the club board.

Since they took over they have raised millions in transfer fees, rebuilt the ground and just spent 3m on a new training ground.

The club has to sell players to survive which is understandably more difficult in RL.

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

8 hours ago, LeytherRob said:

Leigh switched over from up front season tickets to a monthly membership this year and it was probably the best decision the club made through the whole rebrand. It's funny because when you actually work out what you'd be paying the cheapest adult level of membership at Leigh is essentially £300 for a season ticket which is the highest it's ever been by some margin, but there was nothing but praise from the fan base and the club is at record levels of season ticket/membership. Previously there would always be comments about the affordability of season tickets that were priced in the £200-£250 range but when you see it as £25 a month it suddenly looks quite enticing.

Wakefield have been offering a similar option over the last few years.  You pay in advance for the following season's season ticket with 12 monthly payments and also get 6 free lines in the monthly Club 1873 Lottery.  

[Griff]

1 hour ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

Wakefield have been offering a similar option over the last few years.  You pay in advance for the following season's season ticket with 12 monthly payments and also get 6 free lines in the monthly Club 1873 Lottery.  

Not free, I hope. That would be unlawful.

Included in the price, grand 

[RigbyLuger]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

Not free, I hope. That would be unlawful.

Included in the price, grand 

You pay for 6 lottery lines per month, and get a season ticket at the end of the year, free.

Edited April 25 by RigbyLuger

[BladeHearts]

12 hours ago, Griff said:

The FoH owns the ground, then?

Yes, FOH owns 75.1 % of the club including the ground.

[Griff]

1 hour ago, BladeHearts said:

Yes, FOH owns 75.1 % of the club including the ground.

So FOH doesn't own the ground. It holds 75.1% of the club's shares.

Just to be clear. Because there's a difference.

[BladeHearts]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

So FOH doesn't own the ground. It holds 75.1% of the club's shares.

Just to be clear. Because there's a difference.

Not really.

Heart of Midlothian PLC own 100% of Tynecastle

FOH own 75.1 % of Heart of Midlothian PLC who own Tynecastle

Tynecastle cannot be sold unless FOH vote in favour

FOH cannot vote in favour unless 95% of its subscribing members vote in favour

[Griff]

1 hour ago, BladeHearts said:

Not really.

Heart of Midlothian PLC own 100% of Tynecastle

FOH own 75.1 % of Heart of Midlothian PLC who own Tynecastle

Tynecastle cannot be sold unless FOH vote in favour

FOH cannot vote in favour unless 95% of its subscribing members vote in favour

FOH can't sell 75.1% of Tynecastle.

Only HOM can sell Tynecastle.

Granted there's a side agreement in place here but this is just basic company law.

[Oxford]

15 hours ago, The Daddy said:

So your not concerned about the future of the club or it's SL status based on that statement, or dyou think everything is cushty?

I'm concerned about every RL club and wish them all well. And beyond this I've said I don't care how they all obtain their money, and this seems one of the less harmful and more acceptable ways to achieve their goals.

Cushty?

And my posts earlier show no signs of being incorrect, invalid or mistaken in any way.

[dboy]

44 minutes ago, Oxford said:

I'm concerned about every RL club and wish them all well. And beyond this I've said I don't care how they all obtain their money, and this seems one of the less harmful and more acceptable ways to achieve their goals.

Cushty?

And my posts earlier show no signs of being incorrect, invalid or mistaken in any way.

Good for you.

I DO care about how clubs get and spend their money and believe that a club spending money on players, rather than paying their agreed rent, cheapens, devalues, embarrasses the sport, and unfairly distorts the competition.

You seem to want to position yourself as some kind of wider-game visionary, but all I hear is "one-eyed fan of cheating club thinks cheating is fine".

[Oxford]

2 hours ago, dboy said:

Good for you.

I DO care about how clubs get and spend their money and believe that a club spending money on players, rather than paying their agreed rent, cheapens, devalues, embarrasses the sport, and unfairly distorts the competition.

You seem to want to position yourself as some kind of wider-game visionary, but all I hear is "one-eyed fan of cheating club thinks cheating is fine".

Well done you!

In a country as corrupt, bent, biased and altogether stupid as this one you want an RL that remains untainted and poor so you can criticse clubs for making an effort or not doing things the way you'd like.

Wider - game visionary?, be your age dboy!

Edited April 26 by Oxford

[dboy]

2 hours ago, Oxford said:

Well done you!

In a country as corrupt, bent, biased and altogether stupid as this one you want an RL that remains untainted and poor so you can criticse clubs for making an effort or not doing things the way you'd like.

Wider - game visionary?, be you age dboy!

The case for the prosecution rests, M'lud.

[Oxford]

32 minutes ago, dboy said:

The case for the prosecution rests, M'lud.

It's my own fault for taking you off ignore, be assured I won't bother you again as I'm too busy being a TGG visionary!

By the way well done SRD for leading the way and any club with a reasonably similar following can do the same and I hope you all will!

And obviously never ever listen to the thousands of naysayers, critics and similar ne'erdowells who'd love to keep your club in it's place; rob the chuffin BoE if you have too!

Edited April 26 by Oxford

[Oxford]

I just posted this elsewhere but it's just as relevant here,

"For some people the idea of having TGG and something positive in the same sentence is just a bridge too far, isn't it?"

Edited April 26 by Oxford

[LeytherRob]

16 minutes ago, Oxford said:

I just posted this elsewhere but it's just as relevant here,

"For some people the idea of having TGG and something positive in the same sentence is just a bridge too far, isn't it?"

If you want positivity, you should have a word with Paul King then because quotes like "the truth is we’ve nearly run out of road" do not sound positive. You might want to bury your head in the sand over quotes like these and pretend everything is fine, but no one else is obligated to. Indiscriminate positivity is just delusion.

[Oxford]

Just now, LeytherRob said:

If you want positivity, you should have a word with Paul King then because quotes like "the truth is we’ve nearly run out of road" do not sound positive. You might want to bury your head in the sand over quotes like these and pretend everything is fine, but no one else is obligated to. Indiscriminate positivity is just delusion.

It is interesting how responses to this follow a pattern, however, here's what I have to say:

"the truth is we’ve nearly run out of road" do not sound positive." no it doesn't!

"You might want to bury your head in the sand over quotes like these and pretend everything is fine" I'm not!

 "Indiscriminate positivity is just delusion" I think the basic tenor of my argument is more cynical than upbeat and criticising interminable negativity is not the same as indiscriminate positivity. Not many people know that!

Also no one suggested you should join in, just don't expect applause for your efforts in the opposite direction.

 

 

[idrewthehaggis]

Nay visionary, surely a prophet our Oxford.

And ye Prophet spoketh from ye terrace to ye doubters, who amassed numerous a plenty .

"What ye who have little faith in the Community Shares scheme? Are ye so afflicted by ye demons of malevolence, of spite and ye foulless of reason?" announced ye Prophet.

But the throng replied as one;"Can ye nay heareth the cries that you have nearly runneth out of road!

Surely tides of great peril awaiteth ye Salford bretheren.?"

For which the Prophet replied: "For I do aye, heareth the distant rumblings, but more so the greater song of triumph against adversely ringeth in thy dirty oldeth town."

And from ye market place, the story was passed around of the rightness of the Salford brotherhood and how their numbers had exceeded 63000 on the first dayeth.

And ye blessedeth cried mightily at ye generous and fruitethful gifts received.

Edited April 26 by idrewthehaggis

[Gavin Harrison]

A  surprising move. Just doesn't add up.

This model will not work at the level Salford are playing at.

The ongoing finances needed can't be raised from such a share issue.

If it somehow hits the £250k threshold, the well will be empty & that temporary cash flow will not bridge the deficit until revenues increase sufficiently to cover expenditures.

The owner model works perfectly well at many clubs, why it should be so heavily criticised is a mystery.

Why was the article published in what is very much a political magazine?

I can't grasp what the thinking is or see the upside to it.

I wish them well, but I get the feeling end is coming for Salford.

 

 

 

Edited April 26 by Gavin Harrison

[Stanley30]

3 minutes ago, Gavin Harrison said:

A  surprising move. Just doesn't add up.

This model will not work at the level Salford are playing at..

The ongoing finances needed can't be raised from such a share issue.

If it somehow hits the £250k threshold, the well will be empty & that temporary cash flow will not bridge the deficit until revenues increase sufficiently to cover expenditures.

The owner model works perfectly well at many vlubs, why it should be so heavily criticised is a mystery.

Why was the article published in what is very much a political magazine? I can't grasp what the thinking is or see the upside to it.

I wish them well, but I get the feeling end is coming for Salford.

 

 

 

This is a really daft and uneducated post.

[Oxford]

I was wondering where that you're all doomed sandwich board guy who used to be outside the Willows on Game night had gone.

[Gavin Harrison]

14 minutes ago, Stanley30 said:

This is a really daft and uneducated post.

In what respect?

[RigbyLuger]

Paul King arguing with a Twitter account quoting his actual words doesn't seem a productive way to spend time.