What’s the secret of Wigan Warriors’ success?

[Rugby League World]

Having just claimed a record fifth world club title, and riding high in Super League, we try to discover the secret of Wigan’s success. WIGAN...

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[The Future is League]

Any club which takes its junior development seriously will have success, and Wigan and Saints are perfect example's of that, and look how successful Penrith Panthers are because they take junior development seriously and don't just pay lip service to it.

 

[Harry Stottle]

22 hours ago, Rugby League World said:

Having just claimed a record fifth world club title, and riding high in Super League, we try to discover the secret of Wigan’s success. WIGAN...

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Money, having enough and spending it correctly, whether that is on the playing roster or behind the scenes.

[lucky 7]

21 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Money, having enough and spending it correctly, whether that is on the playing roster or behind the scenes.

I wouldn't say Penrith had a lot of money, but they set up a lot of junior clubs in the are and have seen the benefit, and the amount of junior clubs in the area is growing.

Junior development, and more junior development is the future of the game in this country, but some clubs just can't see it.

[Gomersall]

14 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:

I wouldn't say Penrith had a lot of money, but they set up a lot of junior clubs in the are and have seen the benefit, and the amount of junior clubs in the area is growing.

Junior development, and more junior development is the future of the game in this country, but some clubs just can't see it.

Totally agree but Penrith have also shown a lot of faith in their juniors and have reaped the benefits.

[Gomersall]

On 29/03/2024 at 12:00, Rugby League World said:

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Record equalling.

[Harry Stottle]

7 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:

I wouldn't say Penrith had a lot of money, but they set up a lot of junior clubs in the are and have seen the benefit, and the amount of junior clubs in the area is growing.

Junior development, and more junior development is the future of the game in this country, but some clubs just can't see it.

Do you recall one of uncle Ralphy Rimmers parting shots before leaving his post, it was to radically reduce the number of clubs allowed to run Academies down to 10 which included Newcastle and London and that was how it was to be until 2027, so in his plan in the "heartlands" only 8 clubs could have the pick of juniors from St Helen's in the West to Hull in the East, only protests from a number of quarters got Hull KR, Castleford and Bradford reinstated, whilst other teams who wished to run their own academies were refused to do so.

Did you also know that two years ago Wigan were able to take 7 lads from Leigh into their development programme whilst only taking 2 from Wigan.

Totally agree with you that junior development is the future of the game, AND any club who wishes to run 'proper' organised academies should be allowed to do so, and not just the 'elite' few.

[Gomersall]

29 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

AND any club who wishes to run 'proper' organised academies should be allowed to do so, and not just the 'elite' few.

Agree aitch. The more the merrier for me. If clubs can’t afford to run an academy team then they won’t but will probably end up with the last pick of the talent pool. Having said that, Penrith basically oversee the whole junior set up in their area rather than just one team. SL clubs have to get more involved with the community game than they currently appear to be from what I can see.

[The Future is League]

3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Do you recall one of uncle Ralphy Rimmers parting shots before leaving his post, it was to radically reduce the number of clubs allowed to run Academies down to 10 which included Newcastle and London and that was how it was to be until 2027, so in his plan in the "heartlands" only 8 clubs could have the pick of juniors from St Helen's in the West to Hull in the East, only protests from a number of quarters got Hull KR, Castleford and Bradford reinstated, whilst other teams who wished to run their own academies were refused to do so.

Did you also know that two years ago Wigan were able to take 7 lads from Leigh into their development programme whilst only taking 2 from Wigan.

Totally agree with you that junior development is the future of the game, AND any club who wishes to run 'proper' organised academies should be allowed to do so, and not just the 'elite' few.

Salford and Leigh should be allowed academies, and so should all clubs.

I would go one step further and say that IF a Super League club DOESN'T WANT TO RUN AN ACADEMY' or can't afford too they should lose their Super League status.

[N2022]

4 hours ago, Gomersall said:

Agree aitch. The more the merrier for me. If clubs can’t afford to run an academy team then they won’t but will probably end up with the last pick of the talent pool. Having said that, Penrith basically oversee the whole junior set up in their area rather than just one team. SL clubs have to get more involved with the community game than they currently appear to be from what I can see.

Mixed feelings about this. Yes to academies for SL clubs, but 'the more the merrier' doesn't sound very elite. If there are too many such set-ups the players don't have to compete against the very best. And without (I suspect) a junior international framework, how are the strongest players being readied for the top level of competition. I am no expert, these are just my reservations about allowing too many academies to exist.

[Damien]

5 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Did you also know that two years ago Wigan were able to take 7 lads from Leigh into their development programme whilst only taking 2 from Wigan.

You made this claim before and it was pointed out at that time that it was completely false.

[The Blues Ox]

Central acadamies rather than club acadamies, each SL team has to put money in the pot and provide coaches, draft type system to distribute players. End result is a better competition in the long run. About 3 or 4 SL clubs would oppose this system for the usual reasons.

[Padge]

8 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Did you also know that two years ago Wigan were able to take 7 lads from Leigh into their development programme whilst only taking 2 from Wigan.

What's your problem, Leigh is in Wigan.

[Harry Stottle]

14 hours ago, Padge said:

What's your problem, Leigh is in Wigan.

That's the problem right there, no need to point it out.

Pity Liz Truss left office.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/liz-truss-makes-lexit-pledge-24729735&ved=2ahUKEwjgkc_Rw6CFAxVLWkEAHWlxBBkQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2_YBVRncXDtJ9-3WrcCuYK

Edited April 1 by Harry Stottle

[Stanley30]

They hoover up all the best youngsters and monopolieze the academy system. Same as saints and leeds. All 3 will be the death of SL, unless img get hold of it and stop them.

 

Sooner NRL buy SL the better. Take the decision making away from the clubs and centralize as much of it as possible.

 

Draft suggestion would be superb, but we're a long way off that currently.

 

Also the links between the amateur game as a whole are drifting way too far apart 

Edited April 1 by Stanley30

[Snowys Backside]

The secret is Youth and belief in their system ! 

[JM2010]

On 31/03/2024 at 09:29, Harry Stottle said:

Do you recall one of uncle Ralphy Rimmers parting shots before leaving his post, it was to radically reduce the number of clubs allowed to run Academies down to 10 which included Newcastle and London and that was how it was to be until 2027, so in his plan in the "heartlands" only 8 clubs could have the pick of juniors from St Helen's in the West to Hull in the East, only protests from a number of quarters got Hull KR, Castleford and Bradford reinstated, whilst other teams who wished to run their own academies were refused to do so.

Did you also know that two years ago Wigan were able to take 7 lads from Leigh into their development programme whilst only taking 2 from Wigan.

Totally agree with you that junior development is the future of the game, AND any club who wishes to run 'proper' organised academies should be allowed to do so, and not just the 'elite' few.

More academies won’t produce more players without a lot more junior clubs underneath. One of the main criteria for running an academy should be about the amount of development work in the local area, including schools, minimum number of community clubs and ambassador clubs and plans/targets to increase playing numbers in their areas