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7 hours ago, warriors 95 said:

Are the teams full of Americans and Japanese players?

Mix of predominant Australian and then minorities of South and North American more common than Asian.


Posted
1 hour ago, The Rocket said:

There was talk of the collapse of the women`s domestic competition, the W-League, due to a lack of funds, not so long ago. The men`s competition took a hammering in their broadcast deal, the women`s is basically worthless. The women are basically playing for the love of it, and even that may not be enough.

Yes. In Australia.

NWSL, WSL and a growing number of leagues in Europe are where the global pathway comes in. The last time we had this chat, Sam Kerr was earning as much just from her club salary as each NRLW team could pay their entire squad.

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To call the Matildas Australia’s most supported national sports team is like saying the Australians favourite drink is water because it is the most consumed.

Yes the Matildas had bumper crowds and great tv figures in the World Cup, but that was a WC. Host the Men’s WC here and the men’s team would bury the women’s. You only have to look at how unpopular the elite women’s club game is here to realise the Matildas were just benefiting from hosting the biggest event in the world stage and were competitive. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a competitive Wallabies at the next Aus RWC to out-rate the fine achievements of the Matildas.

Soccer has always been the most popular for junior participation in Australia. I think it’s the same in USA. Australia has a long history for affection for soccer and not only amongst migrant families either as has been suggested earlier.

As to basketball, yes the NBL is one of the elite club competitions below the NBA and challenges US college basketball as a pathway to the NBA. It is respectively, pretty popular across all cities. Matches are well attended throughout the country without having to apologise for not being as good as the NBA.

I will stop short of suggesting @The Rocket gives touch Aussie Rules (AFL 9s) a go, but it is growing in popularity without being anywhere close to touch rugby participation. Good for a run out though. I enjoy playing AFL 9s more than touch footy.

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16 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Yes. In Australia.

NWSL, WSL and a growing number of leagues in Europe are where the global pathway comes in. The last time we had this chat, Sam Kerr was earning as much just from her club salary as each NRLW team could pay their entire squad.

If the women's soccer league did collapse would the next generation of girls get noticed by international scouts in schools soccer ? If that's not of a standard to make a judgement then without a league in Oz the next generation would have no pathway and the national team would collapse too.

Posted
21 minutes ago, Dirkgee said:

It’s not surprising to see 100k in NSW. From the Victorian border to just south of Wagga Wagga is mostly Aussie rules territory as they were more influenced by Melbourne than Sydney as it was closer to Melbourne on the railway historically,

Add that to the growing Aussie Rules support in the former Rugby Union heartlands of the rich Eastern Sydney suburbs and I honestly don’t think it’s that much of a stretch.

Not buying 100k in NSW. Fair point regarding the Riverina, but the figures are similar pro rata for QLD where Barassi Line factors are not statistically significant.

Creative accounting around participation rates in NSW/QLD is central to AFL "National Football Code" propaganda.

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Posted
15 hours ago, The Rocket said:

I`ve never heard of Australian rules touch football, ever, and I`m sure I would have heard of it at some stage.

Touch Fumbles wouldn't be all that different from regular Fumbles. Any challenge more vigorous than a grab is considered a dangerous tackle in AFL.

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Posted
31 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Creative accounting around participation rates in NSW/QLD is central to AFL "National Football Code" propaganda.

The AFL have not provided any of the figures.

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33 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

I will stop short of suggesting @The Rocket gives touch Aussie Rules (AFL 9s) a go, but it is growing in popularity without being anywhere close to touch rugby participation. Good for a run out though. I enjoy playing AFL 9s more than touch footy.

I'm yet to behold the joy of Touch Fumbles (AFL 9s).

Could be a rival to "T1 Rugby - the new and exciting non-contact Rugby game that can be played by anyone and everyone".

Posted
2 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

I'm yet to behold the joy of Touch Fumbles (AFL 9s).

Could be a rival to "T1 Rugby - the new and exciting non-contact Rugby game that can be played by anyone and everyone".

It happened. I searched T1 Rugby. I lasted about 4.28 seconds on the World Rugby document for it.

As to AFL 9s, I’m not certain you will get the opportunity to appreciate it although I do wish you the best in your endeavours.

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Posted
48 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a competitive Wallabies at the next Aus RWC to out-rate the fine achievements of the Matildas.

Wouldn't surprise me either.

Notwithstanding all those NRL fans recently dancing on the grave of ARU.

Posted
43 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

That doesn't alter the argument.

If you’re saying these figures are wrong because the AFL add up using the union calculator then the fact that they are independent of the AFL and its numbers is quite important.

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Posted
6 hours ago, The Rocket said:

Australians play a lot of sport, team sports are popular and soccer is the safe option. I`d hazard a guess that reduced family sizes has put a premium on child safety, christ if you`ve only got two you can`t afford to risk losing one despite how remote the odds of that happening.

With regard to EPL, I have absolutely no interest but I do know it features almost nightly in our local commercial broadcasters news and on our national Gov`t owned  (the ABC) nightly news as well.

Out of interest when I was at school League was pretty much played equally across all socio-economic demographics, maybe skewed slightly towards the lower ( < for the want of a better word) socio-economic groups. I think you could safely say there has been a retraction of the game towards the aforementioned groups over the last forty years, the real challenge is to reverse this trend. Involvement in the non-contact versions of the game are a good starting point.

 

 

 

But haven't the Kiwi's and Pacific Islanders living Australian helped the full contact game for playing number ?

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Posted
5 minutes ago, EggFace said:

But haven't the Kiwi's and Pacific Islanders living Australian helped the full contact game for playing number ?

The addition  of Kiwis could  lead to a decline in playing numbers in Australia. 

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Posted
56 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

If you’re saying these figures are wrong because the AFL add up using the union calculator then the fact that they are independent of the AFL and its numbers is quite important.

Unless we do think there are more people playing Tackle RL than Touch, such a conspicuous anomaly casts doubt on these figures as a whole.

The separate but related point regarding the AFL agenda and their history of statistical chicanery stands.

Posted
2 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Unless we do think there are more people playing Tackle RL than Touch, such a conspicuous anomaly casts doubt on these figures as a whole.

The separate but related point regarding the AFL agenda and their history of statistical chicanery stands.

Well, on the one hand, we have an independent and thorough survey with a published methodology that has shown that the world's two most popular team sports by participation are popular in Australia and then broken down the rest.

And, on the other, some old blokes and their vibes.

I'll go with the fact based one for now. I think it shows RL in a really strong position - not sure why everyone is being so touchy about it, TBH.

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Posted
5 hours ago, HawkMan said:

If the women's soccer league did collapse would the next generation of girls get noticed by international scouts in schools soccer ? If that's not of a standard to make a judgement then without a league in Oz the next generation would have no pathway and the national team would collapse too.

They'll go the US college route like they've always done.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, EggFace said:

Eh ?

In New Zealand  the increased numbers  of Polynesian  players has led to a decline in Rugby Union  playing numbers in Maori and other groups.

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Posted
On 29/11/2024 at 03:23, Sports Prophet said:

I only went and watched the ABL last weekend. Had a great time of it.

More fun than I would have had watching the Wobblies 😂 

Agree…a great night out at the ABL. Shame it gets no publicity. Most people wouldnt know it existed. Same with the AIHL (ice hockey). Melbourne is hosting the second tier world cup in April but you would not know unless you hunted the web for info.

Posted
9 hours ago, gingerjon said:

The Matildas are the best supported and most followed national team in Australia.

Australia has a professional basketball league with a minimum player salary of $79,500 (£40,700) and a team salary cap of just shy of $2m.

And they have a statue at Suncorp stadium in honour of them finishing fourth!

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Posted
14 hours ago, warriors 95 said:

Are the teams full of Americans and Japanese players?

No ….Id say roughly 2/3 are australian……Australia has a fairly strong national team of Aussie born players ( not heritage players) who performed well at the last world baseball classic. Plenty of Aussies play in the US with several progressing to the majors ( graeme lloyd won the world series with the yankees).

Imported players are fromUS major league clubs farm teams, Taiwan, Korea and only occasionally japan….but japanese players are paid so well the ABL cant afford them.

Posted
1 hour ago, corkonian77 said:

In New Zealand  the increased numbers  of Polynesian  players has led to a decline in Rugby Union  playing numbers in Maori and other groups.

Got yer.

Posted
8 hours ago, Dirkgee said:

Add that to the growing Aussie Rules support in the former Rugby Union heartlands of the rich Eastern Sydney suburbs and I honestly don’t think it’s that much of a stretch.

That and the lower north shore of Sydney would be lucky to add a thousand players, and that is prob being very generous.

Posted
7 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Not buying 100k in NSW. Fair point regarding the Riverina, but the figures are similar pro rata for QLD where Barassi Line factors are not statistically significant.

Creative accounting around participation rates in NSW/QLD is central to AFL "National Football Code" propaganda.

Fair point on Queensland though the absolute exodus of Victorians to Queensland since Covid up there might have a bit to do with that. (Seriously the amount of Victorian registration plates there is insane)

But you’re right no doubt there’s some creative maths to up the numbers even more

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