giwildgo Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I can understand the suggestion of keeping the caps close together, but once again it is playing to the lowest common denominator. Clubs need something to aspire to. The Option 3 structure makes promotion easier, but it shouldn't be handed on a plate by dragging the playing field down. Growth, ambition and commercial success should be rewarded, rather than jeopardised to benefit struggling clubs. The game is better when there is more money in it, not less. Survival of the fittest and all that - get efficient and generate revenue or fall by the wayside to the level where the club can compete. Inflation has already diluted wages at the top level to a degree that should not be unachievable for at least twelve clubs. The fact that clubs in SL still fail to meet the cap after all these years is a sorry summary of the current state of the game. oderint dum metuant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughyedspud Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) 4 LEAGUES OF TEN season runs easter to first week in october 9 home games , 9 away games , 1 magic game ( all 4 leagues have a version of the magic weekend top 5 play offs across all 4 leagues 1 up & 1 down promotion & relegation 4 league cups league cup played through feb & march each league cup, in each of the 4 divisions would consist of 2 groups of 5, top 2 from each group advance to semi finals..then a final.. this would provide all clubs across all leagues a additional 4 home games a year......ontop of the 9 home games during the regular season....giving each club a guaranteed 13 game home programme....the same as super league clubs now its also a extra competition the RFL can sell the tv & sponsorship rights too CHALLENGE CUP as is...played during the regular season FUNDING SL - £1.2m eachL1 - £500k eachL2 - £200k eachL3 - £100k eachthats £20m a year of central funding.....and considering the RFL gets more than that from its tv contracts every year,about £27m,and does'nt include other monies from sponsorship & sport england funding... i won't believe anyone who says there not enough money to fund this.. at the moment all the RFL is bothered about are the top 16-18 clubs that play the sport.....they need to wake up and realize they are responsible for ALL the clubs under their control!!........that would be a "WHOLE SPORT PLAN"!! Edited May 14, 2013 by roughyedspud OLDHAM RLFC the 8TH most successful team in british RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughyedspud Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 god knows why the font size is all over the place?? but you get the idea OLDHAM RLFC the 8TH most successful team in british RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pottsy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 god knows why the font size is all over the place?? but you get the idea If we are going to drop to smaller, more intense leagues (although I think a ten-team top flight is a touch too small) then I'm also a big fan of making up the fixture shortfall with a pre-season comp, rather than simply adding repeat fixtures to the regular season. The only place I'd differ is that I'd have two rather than four tiers of competition: one for clubs either operating or aspiring to be full time pro and one for the semi-pro clubs beneath. I know the conventional thinking is that we needed to rationalise the number of cups in the pro game (and, to be fair, we probably did) but a pre-season comp would freshen things up somewhat, boost the income of the smaller clubs and bring all of the pro game together. It would also allow Super League itself to be launched at a more clement time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindle xiii Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I prefer Ben and Jerry's Cookie Dough. I'm surprised the RFL didn't consult Just Brownie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindle xiii Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 god knows why the font size is all over the place?? but you get the idea Cut and paste probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 With an increased cap and increased payment, a few (Fev, Fax) may go mainly full time. So therefore some the complete change of squad wouldnt be needed.In that case it begs the question why not increase SL to 16, and drop the cap down so every club that can afford to be professional is professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.n Other Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Have these been announced as part of the proposals? I have read that an increase of £180k funding for the tier 2 sides and an increased cap. Could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.n Other Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 In that case it begs the question why not increase SL to 16, and drop the cap down so every club that can afford to be professional is professional. It does, but that as far as I am aware isn't one of the options being discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pottsy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 In that case it begs the question why not increase SL to 16, and drop the cap down so every club that can afford to be professional is professional. I don't think there are enough strong clubs to justify 14 licenses at the moment, let alone 16. What we should be aiming for is intensity and transparency at every level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Off we go again "nonsence proposal" specifics please. Specifically? It's all nonsense, every bit of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 What's the points system going to be in this new second tier league ? The 4 SL clubs coming down will have played for 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw, no bonus points on offer so far during the season. The 4 Championship clubs going up will have played for 3 points for a win, 2 for a draw and a bonus point for losing by less than 12 points so far during the season. If points get carried forward will the SL clubs' points be adjusted to the Championship method and retrospectively awarded, or will the Championship clubs' points be adjusted to the SL method and retrospectively reduced ? I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.n Other Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) What's the points system going to be in this new second tier league ? The 4 SL clubs coming down will have played for 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw, no bonus points on offer so far during the season. The 4 Championship clubs going up will have played for 3 points for a win, 2 for a draw and a bonus point for losing by less than 12 points so far during the season. If points get carried forward will the SL clubs' points be adjusted to the Championship method and retrospectively awarded, or will the Championship clubs' points be adjusted to the SL method and retrospectively reduced ? I don't think the points are carried over into tier 2. It's only in Tier 1 and Tier 3 where the points carry on. Edited May 14, 2013 by a.n Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooza Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 It would also allow Super League itself to be launched at a more clement time of the year. I heard on the radio this morning that there may be snow tomorrow... Check out upcoming international fixtures and highlights of past matches at http://rlfixtures.weebly.com St Albans Centurions International Liaison Officer and former Medway Dragons Wheelchair RL player.Leeds Rhinos, St Albans Centurions y Griffons Madrid fan. Also follow (to a lesser extent) Catalans Dragons, London Broncos, South Sydney Rabbitohs, Jacksonville Axemen, Vrchlabi Mad Squirrels, København Black Swans, Red Star Belgrade and North Hertfordshire Crusaders.Moderator of the International board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I don't think the points are carried over into tier 2. It's only in Tier 1 and Tier 3 where the points carry on.Fair enough, though I've not seen that confirmed anywhere. But the question still remains as to which points system they'll be using - will they be using the BP system or not ? I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I don't think there are enough strong clubs to justify 14 licenses at the moment, let alone 16. What we should be aiming for is intensity and transparency at every level Intensity will be maximised at about 10 clubs, the original Peacock plan. Even he's back pedalled to suggesting 12. Transparency?? Licenses are rather opaque and cloudy. Automatic P & R is transparent. 2 x 12 auto P & R. Revolutionary idea!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 will they be using the BP system or not ?They're going to use the old Shell points system where you could get air miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindle xiii Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I heard on the radio this morning that there may be snow tomorrow... You can do the honours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Fair enough, though I've not seen that confirmed anywhere. But the question still remains as to which points system they'll be using - will they be using the BP system or not ? Let me preface this by saying the system is nuts but ... if we are to have a tier 2 with this set-up then it should have BP. It may be the only way to keep the interest going for half the division. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Let me preface this by saying the system is nuts but ... if we are to have a tier 2 with this set-up then it should have BP. It may be the only way to keep the interest going for half the division.But that may cause an identity crisis - you see, SL doesn't have bonus points but the Championship does and by introducing them to this league you are condemning them to carry the horrible stigma of being a Championship league rather than a SL one, and thus destined to be forever ignored and unmentioned by Sky and most other media outlets. Eddie & Stevo will pretend these clubs don't exist until they crop up again at the start of the next season in the top tier. Is this league to be SL Minus or Championship Plus ? I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 But that may cause an identity crisis - you see, SL doesn't have bonus points but the Championship does and by introducing them to this league you are condemning them to carry the horrible stigma of being a Championship league rather than a SL one, and thus destined to be forever ignored and unmentioned by Sky and most other media outlets. That would be the least of our problems! The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Fill your boots mate, I'm actually just writing mine now too as it happens... Yes, it's not massively in depth but a good read. I access love rugby league through the iphone app so I missed these. Also worth noting that I think there's a performance issue with the live scores page as it times out unless you have 3G, and won't load on E. The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 But that may cause an identity crisis - you see, SL doesn't have bonus points but the Championship does and by introducing them to this league you are condemning them to carry the horrible stigma of being a Championship league rather than a SL one, and thus destined to be forever ignored and unmentioned by Sky and most other media outlets. Eddie & Stevo will pretend these clubs don't exist until they crop up again at the start of the next season in the top tier. Is this league to be SL Minus or Championship Plus ? We need to get the consultants in. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 What happens to the teams not in the 2x12/3x8? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadera78 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 What happens to the teams not in the 2x12/3x8? Shhh! Don't ask questions. Presumably they'll be condemned to play in a re-branded Championship 1. And all of those people on here complaining about the lack of P&R will remember the clubs left behind and continue to shout about it...... "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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