Brexit the positive thread

[Bedford Roughyed]

UK to become a beacon of free trade and 400,000 new jobs to be created:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/03/uk-will-create-400000-jobs-quits-customs-union-part-brexit-talks/

 

The caveat is that the group who wrote the report, Change Britain, are a continuation of Vote Leave.

 

 

Is that the report that doesn't look at any jobs lost?  That includes £1bn of savings from scrapping the Data Protections Act?  That takes the expected trade for the EU from the 8 new trade deals and takes 15% of it as 'our' expected income if we did the deals alone?

[Griff9of13]

UK to become a beacon of free trade and 400,000 new jobs to be created:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/03/uk-will-create-400000-jobs-quits-customs-union-part-brexit-talks/

The caveat is that the group who wrote the report, Change Britain, are a continuation of Vote Leave.

The Guardian responds: Brexit will create 400,000 jobs? This is a fiction, as any economist will tell you

[JohnM]

....well, with "Sir Humphrey" Rodgers gone, that's removed one big block to a successful EU departure! 

[Padge]

On 03/01/2017 at 8:06 PM, Griff9of13 said:

The Guardian responds: Brexit will create 400,000 jobs? This is a fiction, as any economist will tell you

 

Still lying through the effin teeth.

Is this 400,000 jobs the same as the none existent £350m/week for the NHS.

[Bob8]

Experts got it all wrong again:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/05/bank-england-admits-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/

 

[Bedford Roughyed]

14 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

Experts got it all wrong again:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/05/bank-england-admits-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/

 

Because the public have gone out and spent more, borrowed more and saved less.  Three things any economist would never contemplate/understand right now.

Borrowing is now at 2008 levels.  

[Saint Toppy]

11 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Because the public have gone out and spent more, borrowed more and saved less.  Three things any economist would never contemplate/understand right now.

Borrowing is now at 2008 levels.  

You mean the public chose to not panic and set off mass hysteria, ignoring all the bull being peddled by the so called experts

We haven't seen the economy crash, we haven't seen mass unemployment so people are just spending as they would have done if the Referendum hadn't happened.

[Griff9of13]

18 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

You mean the public chose to not panic and set off mass hysteria, ignoring all the bull being peddled by the so called experts

We haven't seen the economy crash, we haven't seen mass unemployment so people are just spending as they would have done if the Referendum hadn't happened.

... And we haven't left the EU yet.

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

 

Borrowing is now at 2008 levels.  

This is not a problem.  Especially not when combined with the vast, unhindered line of credit the BoE put into the economy as well.  And the lower pound, rising inflation and decline in investment.  None of these are problems.

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, Saint Toppy said:

You mean the public chose to not panic and set off mass hysteria, ignoring all the bull being peddled by the so called experts

We haven't seen the economy crash, we haven't seen mass unemployment so people are just spending as they would have done if the Referendum hadn't happened.

None of those were predicted.

How's the NHS getting on with its extra £350m a week?

[Saint Toppy]

32 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

None of those were predicted.

 

Err yes they were by Cameron, Osborne, the BoE and numerous other economics experts.

Before the vote they all told us that we would immediately enter recession, the economy would take a nose dive, unemployment would rise sharply, house prices would tumble and people would immediately tighten their belts and stop spending.

Just about the only thing they got right was that the value of the pound would fall and it hardly takes an expert to work out that traders were always going to take the opportunity to make a quick killing immediately around referendum time and the pound would fall, especially given the pound was widely seen as being over-valued at the time anyway.

[JohnM]

43 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

None of those were predicted.

How's the NHS getting on with its extra £350m a week?

of course, it was never going to happen. but then, we dont stop paying in to the EU for at least two years, so maybe youll have to be patient a little longer.

good to see the retirement  of yet another  "Sir Humprey gone native" .

[gingerjon]

21 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Err yes they were by Cameron, Osborne, the BoE and numerous other economics experts.

Nope. Nobody said disaster apart from the squawkers yelling PROJECT FEAR over everything.

But, knock yourself out with it if it helps you.

What people said, and is still true, is lower investment, weaker pound, less growth, greater uncertainty, bigger risk ... which given that we now have a looming credit bubble, growing inflation, higher deficit and a need to raise interest rates ... means that even without A50 being trigged plan-less inside three months that 2017 is looking like being quite rocky for the UK.

[Saint Toppy]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Nope. Nobody said disaster apart from the squawkers yelling PROJECT FEAR over everything.

But, knock yourself out with it if it helps you.

What people said, and is still true, is lower investment, weaker pound, less growth, greater uncertainty, bigger risk ... which given that we now have a looming credit bubble, growing inflation, higher deficit and a need to raise interest rates ... means that even without A50 being trigged plan-less inside three months that 2017 is looking like being quite rocky for the UK.

Really,

Osborne shared a stage with Darling and publically stated that a vote to leave would result in an immediate recession with a £30Bn black hole in the countries finances. He would then have to implement an immediate emergency budget consisting of £15Bn of cuts and £15Bn of tax rises.

A week before the vote Cameron reiterated this and actually went further by saying the figure could be as high as £40Bn meaning he couldn't guarantee the triple lock on pensions if we voted leave.

I'm not even going to both going into the disasterous predictions from the BoE since even they came out yesterday and admitted they got it all wrong

[JohnM]

2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Nope. Nobody said disaster apart from the squawkers yelling PROJECT FEAR over everything.

But, knock yourself out with it if it helps you.

What people said, and is still true, is lower investment, weaker pound, less growth, greater uncertainty, bigger risk ... which given that we now have a looming credit bubble, growing inflation, higher deficit and a need to raise interest rates ... means that even without A50 being trigged plan-less inside three months that 2017 is looking like being quite rocky for the UK.

we are all doomed! Fraser lives! its almost as if this Dads Army of remainers want it all to go wrong just so they can say "I told you so!"

its not happened yet, so now the Jeremias are saying, yes, but it will..just you wait! the same people maybe who totally failed to predict the last great disaster.

I voted to remain on the basis that we would be "noisy neighbours", fighting for our interests much more vigorously than we have been doing. Today, I wished Id voted leave as I see  that our "sir humpries" have gone native. i think they may havd lost sight of their responsibilties.

 

 

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, JohnM said:

we are all doomed!

 

 

Thanks for proving the point.  Nothing I wrote said that but you reacted like a true kneejerk leaver.

[henage]

P and O ferries sailing from Hull have shifted a good amount of cargo between Hull and Europe last year , best for 50 years . That must be good news , maybe not good news just depends on which way you look at it . Shame the local roads and rail lnks havent had any serious money spent on them for a lot of years .

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, henage said:

P and O ferries sailing from Hull have shifted a good amount of cargo between Hull and Europe last year , best for 50 years . That must be good news , maybe not good news just depends on which way you look at it . Shame the local roads and rail lnks havent had any serious money spent on them for a lot of years .

Genuine Q: Would that be linked to the impassability of Dover for long stretches last year?

(And I agree on the second part btw - shameful under-investment.)

[henage]

Prob helped . P and O have a slick operation at Hull , would imagine if the roads etc improved , Hulls docks would take a lot of trade away from other ports . Prescott could have done a lot more for the area when Labour was in power .

[Saint Toppy]

2 hours ago, henage said:

P and O ferries sailing from Hull have shifted a good amount of cargo between Hull and Europe last year , best for 50 years . That must be good news , maybe not good news just depends on which way you look at it . Shame the local roads and rail lnks havent had any serious money spent on them for a lot of years .

Infrastructure spending for ports access has already been increased in recent years. Heysham has just had the new link road built to link it directly with the M6 and bypass Lancaster, funding for the new lorry park to get rid of 'operation stack' has been approved to ease Dover, and the next phase of upgrading the road network into Liverpool docks has received funding with designs due to start shortly.

[JohnM]

Same for Immingham with the A180 link road

[JohnM]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/06/brussels-punishing-britain-brexit-will-play-right-hands-says/

[Griff9of13]

22 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Infrastructure spending for ports access has already been increased in recent years. Heysham has just had the new link road built to link it directly with the M6 and bypass Lancaster, funding for the new lorry park to get rid of 'operation stack' has been approved to ease Dover, and the next phase of upgrading the road network into Liverpool docks has received funding with designs due to start shortly.

Is this work being funded by the EU?

[henage]

Hull is struggling to get a few sets of traffic lights removed and a bridge built over the main road that runs to the docks . One lorry break down / crash on Clive Sullivan way can grid lock Hull within minutes .

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, JohnM said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/06/brussels-punishing-britain-brexit-will-play-right-hands-says/

Such a wise woman: http://www.france24.com/en/20170105-france-national-front-marine-le-pen-russia-finance-election-campaign