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27 minutes ago, Henson Park Old Firm said:

Toronto must have saved up a lot of coupons to sign him

It’s all the air miles collected travelling to their ‘home’ games.


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People should be very careful about getting to excited about this, SBW and especially Khoder Nasser (and other players agents of his ilk) are notorious for stringing along clubs for the media exposure as leverage to get more money out of the clubs that they are really interested in signing for.

If it goes ahead it'll be great for the Wolfpack, but I wouldn't start getting excited about this until it's officially announced by him that he has signed on.

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1 hour ago, The Great Dane said:

If it goes ahead it'll be great for the Wolfpack, but I wouldn't start getting excited about this until it's officially announced by him that he has signed on.

What's great about the Toronto Wolfpack, so far, is the fact that regardless of any new "big name signing": interest continues to grow; continued success, and especially promotion, will only increase this; and most fans have been won over by the Rugby League game itself and/or the great team (in terms of skill and positive culture) we currently have.

Any new signing, whether SBW or someone else entirely, is simply the icing on the cake.

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10 hours ago, BallPlayingProp said:

Looks like Argyle has confirmed it and spoken about it for the first time here:

 Interesting too some bits about Widnes and buying a stake in the club? Is he just gonna buy a stake in every club everywhere?

Yes, purchasing Widnes now.  IMO these updates should be directed straight to Parky for due diligence purposes.

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11 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

David Argyle, the saviour of Rugby League, what a man. 

Buying players doesn’t save RL.

12 hours ago, ChoboMog said:

Toronto Wolfpack currently play a few home games at away/neutral venues, out of necessity, due to the fact these "home" games are scheduled during the early rounds, at a time of year when Canadian winter weather makes playing professional rugby league outdoors a pretty bad idea.  Potentially playing in -10°C to -15°C conditions, before windchill, on a frozen pitch is simply a non-starter, both from a fan enjoyment and player health and safety perspective.

With a February start, by Round 6 Toronto is typically warm enough and stadium available.  There's no reason they couldn't do six away games to start the season, followed by 20 rounds, broken into home/away blocks totalling 13 home games and 7 away (not quite 2:1 ratio home:away), with the Summer Bash at a neutral venue and scheduled whenever the RFL sees fit.

My point was also that if the RFL/SL were to play more in line with the NRL's schedule, say mid-March through October as I proposed above (finishing later than the NRL to accommodate any weeks skipped due to Challenge Cup games), Toronto would be good to go for home games at Lamport by Round 3, and even Round 2 is the City's Department of Parks & Recreation were to expedite winter dome removal.  To be completely honest, while things aren't quite as extreme in a U.K. winter, a slightly later start isn't that bad an idea weather-wise on that side of the Pond as well.

Enough about weather and league/round scheduling, though.  That's a (potentially really good) topic for another thread...

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From the looks of it, Toronto Wolfpack might have made an offer.

I'm new enough to the game to be blissfully unaware of whether this is, or is not, such a big deal; and thanks to that, if TWP do end up with a different "big signing" I'll still be plenty happy.  This is at least some interesting drama, early in the season, and doing wonders to help me forget how pathetic Toronto F.C., down in Panama, was last night.

You miss my point. Toronto’s fixture v Leigh shows Toronto as playing away. Therfore Leigh will have to travel to Toronto whilst others won’t.

Also which marquee player would you shunt to replace with the next marquee?

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

Buying players doesn’t save RL.

You miss my point. Toronto’s fixture v Leigh shows Toronto as playing away. Therfore Leigh will have to travel to Toronto whilst others won’t.

Also which marquee player would you shunt to replace with the next marquee?

Brierly is on a marquees contract and he's looking for a new home because he's not in Big Mac's plans from what I understand...bingo-bango-bongo

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50 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

Brierly is on a marquees contract and he's looking for a new home because he's not in Big Mac's plans from what I understand...bingo-bango-bongo

Excellent you had a marquee and didn’t bother playing him. 

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2 hours ago, SL17 said:

Buying players doesn’t save RL.

You miss my point. Toronto’s fixture v Leigh shows Toronto as playing away. Therfore Leigh will have to travel to Toronto whilst others won’t. 

Also which marquee player would you shunt to replace with the next marquee?

I don't think the point is missed, even after going back through and re-reading the thread.

Toronto have fixtures scheduled as "home" and "away" from Rounds 1 through 6, despite three of those scheduled as "home" games actually being played at venues away from Toronto.  Leigh will have to travel to Toronto while others won't because that's how the RFL scheduled the games.  A game in Toronto, at that time of year, won't happen.

I would rather all games scheduled as "home" be played in Toronto and all those scheduled "away" be played elsewhere, which is why I suggest the RFL/SL scheduling tweaks to accommodate the team's unique circumstances in a way which is seemingly detrimental to no one.

In a nutshell: With a February start to the Championship/SL, have TWP games scheduled/played away for the first six rounds; OR, have the Championship/SL season start dates align more with those of the NRL, leaving TWP only needing the first 2-3 rounds scheduled/played as an away block; AND, then, in either case, schedule/play the remainder of the season in blocks of any size, with a ratio of slightly more home games in Toronto than away played elsewhere (just shy of 2:1 ratio and barely above 1:1 ratio for the first and second options respectively).

In terms of a new/next Marquee Player: I haven't a clue and will gladly defer to the experts ?

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38 minutes ago, SL17 said:

Excellent you had a marquee and didn’t bother playing him. 

happens all the time in sports. new coach doesn't fancy a player so player doesn't play. Brierley is a fantastic guy and great player so I wish him all the best in the future. The last Full Eighty Podcast was discussing his situation if you have the time to listen to it, best RL podcast out there currently.

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23 minutes ago, ChoboMog said:

I don't think the point is missed, even after going back through and re-reading the thread.

Toronto have fixtures scheduled as "home" and "away" from Rounds 1 through 6, despite three of those scheduled as "home" games actually being played at venues away from Toronto.  Leigh will have to travel to Toronto while others won't because that's how the RFL scheduled the games.  A game in Toronto, at that time of year, won't happen.

I would rather all games scheduled as "home" be played in Toronto and all those scheduled "away" be played elsewhere, which is why I suggest the RFL/SL scheduling tweaks to accommodate the team's unique circumstances in a way which is seemingly detrimental to no one.

In a nutshell: With a February start to the Championship/SL, have TWP games scheduled/played away for the first six rounds; OR, have the Championship/SL season start dates align more with those of the NRL, leaving TWP only needing the first 2-3 rounds scheduled/played as an away block; AND, then, in either case, schedule/play the remainder of the season in blocks of any size, with a ratio of slightly more home games in Toronto than away played elsewhere (just shy of 2:1 ratio and barely above 1:1 ratio for the first and second options respectively).

In terms of a new/next Marquee Player: I haven't a clue and will gladly defer to the experts ?

Do you think the advantage Toronto are now gaining with these home/away  fixtures with clubs benefitting from not having to travel to Canada will be allowed in Sooper Dooper Leagur? Given they are controlled by SL not the RFL. I doubt very much any SL Club would. agree to the terms Toronto are presently running.

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2 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

happens all the time in sports. new coach doesn't fancy a player so player doesn't play. Brierley is a fantastic guy and great player so I wish him all the best in the future. The last Full Eighty Podcast was discussing his situation if you have the time to listen to it, best RL podcast out there currently.

Brierley was never a marquee player. I believe he’s linked with the Broncos B team. Or should that be Argyles B team!

 

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At 33,Toronto won`t get much out of SBW for their $5 million,or whatever they`re supposed to be offering him. He was always injured when he played for the Bulldogs ten years ago and a few years later when he played for the Roosters. Yes,he was a good player,once,but too big a gamble if I was using my money. Anyway,surely Toronto would be over the salary cap with that amount?

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11 minutes ago, DiddyDave said:

At 33,Toronto won`t get much out of SBW for their $5 million,or whatever they`re supposed to be offering him. He was always injured when he played for the Bulldogs ten years ago and a few years later when he played for the Roosters. Yes,he was a good player,once,but too big a gamble if I was using my money. Anyway,surely Toronto would be over the salary cap with that amount?

Well I wouldn't mind him for a season at Warrington. 

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22 minutes ago, DiddyDave said:

At 33,Toronto won`t get much out of SBW for their $5 million,or whatever they`re supposed to be offering him. He was always injured when he played for the Bulldogs ten years ago and a few years later when he played for the Roosters. Yes,he was a good player,once,but too big a gamble if I was using my money. Anyway,surely Toronto would be over the salary cap with that amount?

Unless their dispensation allows three marquee’s.. Hence one marquee needs to  depart.

Why not invest NZ$5 million into development if they have money to waste.

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

Do you think the advantage Toronto are now gaining with these home/away  fixtures with clubs benefitting from not having to travel to Canada will be allowed in Sooper Dooper Leagur? Given they are controlled by SL not the RFL. I doubt very much any SL Club would. agree to the terms Toronto are presently running.

Serious question. Given the fixture schedule, can you explain to me what advantage are Toronto gaining?

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

Unless their dispensation allows three marquee’s.. Hence one marquee needs to  depart.

Why not invest NZ$5 million into development if they have money to waste.

You mean development in Toronto? Fine,but it`s obvious Toronto want to buy their way to Super League,there`s no other way they can do it. 

The Gold Coast Titans brought a so called marquee player in a couple of years ago;Jarryd Hayne. Turned out to be the biggest flop and waste of money for many a year,almost costing the club its NRL status,so clubs have to be very careful who they bring in. 

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

Do you think the advantage Toronto are now gaining with these home/away fixtures with clubs benefitting from not having to travel to Canada will be allowed in Sooper Dooper Leagur? Given they are controlled by SL not the RFL.

Toronto isn't gaining any advantage by having games scheduled as "home" yet played away, in the U.K.  If anything the reverse is true, with Toronto being denied a supportive home crowd and the away teams not having to deal with the travel fatigue and jet lag they otherwise would have.

If the "Super Dooper League [sic]" were smart, they might consider the scheduling tweak proposals in my previous posts, as it actually mitigates the effects of and limits the need for any TWP special treatment as well as introducing other benefits... ?

1 hour ago, SL17 said:

I doubt very much any SL Club would. agree to the terms Toronto are presently running

Should Toronto gain promotion, the Super League (and it's constituent clubs) would be rather short sighted, and I would argue ill advised, if they were not to not find some way to continue to make things work.  The scheduling solutions are really fairly simple logistics; having an SL team in Toronto a win for all involved, even more so with a 14 team SL as TWP promotion wouldn't displace anyone; and, while some seem to still deny the obvious, there is something rather special happening over here and Toronto has serious potential for Rugby League to break into a new and very lucrative market.

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31 minutes ago, ChoboMog said:

Toronto isn't gaining any advantage by having games scheduled as "home" yet played away, in the U.K.  If anything the reverse is true, with Toronto being denied a supportive home crowd and the away teams not having to deal with the travel fatigue and jet lag they otherwise would have.

If the "Super Dooper League [sic]" were smart, they might consider the scheduling tweak proposals in my previous posts, as it actually mitigates the effects of and limits the need for any TWP special treatment as well as introducing other benefits... ?

Should Toronto gain promotion, the Super League (and it's constituent clubs) would be rather short sighted, and I would argue ill advised, if they were not to not find some way to continue to make things work.  The scheduling solutions are really fairly simple logistics; having an SL team in Toronto a win for all involved, even more so with a 14 team SL as TWP promotion wouldn't displace anyone; and, while some seem to still deny the obvious, there is something rather special happening over here and Toronto has serious potential for Rugby League to break into a new and very lucrative market.

You are still a guest to the sport. Why would SL bow down to something that creates them problems. 

The lower tiers create problems for them but they can’t get shut of them as they create the player pool.

Your schedule wouldn’t make the top table as for one it would not fall in line with Sky.

Back to drawing board in that one.

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41 minutes ago, DiddyDave said:

You mean development in Toronto? Fine,but it`s obvious Toronto want to buy their way to Super League,there`s no other way they can do it. 

The Gold Coast Titans brought a so called marquee player in a couple of years ago;Jarryd Hayne. Turned out to be the biggest flop and waste of money for many a year,almost costing the club its NRL status,so clubs have to be very careful who they bring in. 

Yes, I believe Leigh contacted him to play in the middle 8’s. £300k for seven matches .

He declined,thank goodness.

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55 minutes ago, burnleywelsh said:

Serious question. Given the fixture schedule, can you explain to me what advantage are Toronto gaining?

Home and away fixtures.As an example Widnes (before what we now know) would not have to travel to Toronto.

As that was classed as a home fixture for Toronto.

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2 hours ago, SL17 said:

You are still a guest to the sport. Why would SL bow down to something that creates them problems. 

The lower tiers create problems for them but they can’t get shut of them as they create the player pool.

Your schedule wouldn’t make the top table as for one it would not fall in line with Sky.

Back to drawing board in that one.

I'm going to leave the back-and-fourth at this, as I think our respective points have been sufficiently made and because I don't really see the conversation going anywhere.

If the attitude towards Toronto is, indeed, that the Wolfpack is simply a "guest to the sport"; then, perhaps, the insular, jaded, and narrow-minded heartland stereotypes, we have been abundantly warned of are, sadly, more prevalent than most of us had hoped.  Not a good state of affairs.  I'm still very confident, though, that such an attitude is not representative of the broader Rugby League community, and that Toronto's continued participation in the RFL/SL is a win-win, a chance to grow the game.  Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

Nobody is asking anyone to bow down, nor to create problems.  Suggesting as much, and in a pejorative manner, I think purposely misrepresents the whole situation.

Tweaks are being suggested; tweaks which mitigate the logistical challenges of a trans-Atlantic league and ones which present little to no downside (beyond change itself) for anyone involved.

On the one hand, as much as this may surprise some here on the TotalRL forums, the world does not revolve around Sky Sports.  On the other hand, Sky Sports itself clearly sees sufficient potential to carry every single game, home and away, for a second tier team which is apparently a mere "guest".  Go figure.  With Championship teams otherwise struggling to get any airtime at all, and with the odd SL game still somehow not making it to TV, perhaps we should focus on the positive, here: The growth in Rugby League interest, and broadcast, in the heartland and abroad alike.  Perhaps we should build on this interest, and pester the powers that be to ensure that even more games are televised and that even more teams share in the privilege.  Perhaps I'm a bit naïve.

Honestly, I just hope this whole TWP experiment works out as it's been an absolute blast to attend games in person, and be able to follow something truly new, unique and exciting.  Bring on a Montreal, a NYC a Boston, a Liverpool, or a Philly, as far as I am concerned!  The fact that the couple of dozen people I've brought to games, their first RL games ever, have ALL loved it and returned to see TWP at Lamport of their own accord (paying for their own tickets, merchandise, food and beer) means I'm far from an outlier.  The untapped, or perhaps barely tapped, potential is clearly there.

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Williams is  crafty  and over the hill,used to  getting big money from playing an easier game so you can bet  he is staying where he is.

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6 hours ago, DiddyDave said:

At 33,Toronto won`t get much out of SBW for their $5 million,or whatever they`re supposed to be offering him. He was always injured when he played for the Bulldogs ten years ago and a few years later when he played for the Roosters. Yes,he was a good player,once,but too big a gamble if I was using my money. Anyway,surely Toronto would be over the salary cap with that amount?

Pretty sure it's just for one year and it's to get more interest in the team and the sport in Canada. Big name will have lots of exposure and fans from both codes would love to come see him play. I'll trust that the billionaire knows what he's doing with his money...he is a billionaire after all

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3 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

Pretty sure it's just for one year and it's to get more interest in the team and the sport in Canada. Big name will have lots of exposure and fans from both codes would love to come see him play. I'll trust that the billionaire knows what he's doing with his money...he is a billionaire after all

So a lot of people in Canada know,or even care,who Sonny Bill Williams is then? I`m telling you he`ll be a whole waste of time and money. A game here,a game there,then he`ll suddenly have family problems and have to rush back to the Antipodes. Pay per play is all I`d be offering him.

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