The General 'Toronto Wolfpack' Discussion Thread

[Smudger06]

3 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

There is no-one better than McDermott at getting his teams up for it at the right time. There is a reason he is the most successful coach in SL.

Toronto need to target their games. You only need to win more than 1 other side.

Bring in amateurs, triallists, kids, loans, fat bob from the rose and crown if he wants a game for free. Just get some warm bodies in the side

Rest players for the next 2 where possible, leeds are flying and there is no point wasting energy in games you arent likely to win, the cup doesnt matter so rest whoever you can. 

Aim for Wakefield at York and putting up a better fight against Hudds and go back to lamport on an upswing. 

You have 3 matches against wakefield, 2 against HKR which care 4 pointers, Salford arent the team they were last year, hull and les Catalans are always capable of losing against poor sides

Pick 7 or 8 games to focus on, win 5 or 6 of them and hope.a.good side puts in a terrible performance or a top.side rest players against you. 

I think there were more bad sides last year and so the bottom took more points than usual.i dont think either of the bottom two will get to 20pts this year. 

That's ludicrous. 

[GUBRATS]

6 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

There is no-one better than McDermott at getting his teams up for it at the right time. There is a reason he is the most successful coach in SL.

Toronto need to target their games. You only need to win more than 1 other side.

Bring in amateurs, triallists, kids, loans, fat bob from the rose and crown if he wants a game for free. Just get some warm bodies in the side

Rest players for the next 2 where possible, leeds are flying and there is no point wasting energy in games you arent likely to win, the cup doesnt matter so rest whoever you can. 

Aim for Wakefield at York and putting up a better fight against Hudds and go back to lamport on an upswing. 

You have 3 matches against wakefield, 2 against HKR which care 4 pointers, Salford arent the team they were last year, hull and les Catalans are always capable of losing against poor sides

Pick 7 or 8 games to focus on, win 5 or 6 of them and hope.a.good side puts in a terrible performance or a top.side rest players against you. 

I think there were more bad sides last year and so the bottom took more points than usual.i dont think either of the bottom two will get to 20pts this year. 

Yes , but that is still no excuse for stupid tactics in bad weather , so did he tell them to do it , or did they just ignore instructions ? 

[Marty Funkhouser]

6 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

There is no-one better than McDermott at getting his teams up for it at the right time. There is a reason he is the most successful coach in SL.

Toronto need to target their games. You only need to win more than 1 other side.

Bring in amateurs, triallists, kids, loans, fat bob from the rose and crown if he wants a game for free. Just get some warm bodies in the side

Rest players for the next 2 where possible, leeds are flying and there is no point wasting energy in games you arent likely to win, the cup doesnt matter so rest whoever you can. 

Aim for Wakefield at York and putting up a better fight against Hudds and go back to lamport on an upswing. 

You have 3 matches against wakefield, 2 against HKR which care 4 pointers, Salford arent the team they were last year, hull and les Catalans are always capable of losing against poor sides

Pick 7 or 8 games to focus on, win 5 or 6 of them and hope.a.good side puts in a terrible performance or a top.side rest players against you. 

I think there were more bad sides last year and so the bottom took more points than usual.i dont think either of the bottom two will get to 20pts this year. 

3 against Hull KR Scotchy...those games are likely the relegation deciders. If HKR won all 3 then 8 points plus any PD would be very unlikely to be made up by TW. 

[Kayakman]

Just now, GUBRATS said:

Yes , but that is still no excuse for stupid tactics in bad weather , so did he tell them to do it , or did they just ignore instructions ? 

He told them to do it..he has a plan...it will be a successful plan in the end...teams has not gelled yet.

It is a good plan considering the circumstances.

[Smudger06]

Wilkins, can't be bothered, lazy booting of a loose ball, severe reprimand? Doubt it. Buy him out of his contract, get shut. 

[GUBRATS]

2 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

He told them to do it..he has a plan...it will be a successful plan in the end...teams has not gelled yet.

It is a good plan considering the circumstances.

' gelled ' , most of these lot played last season 

[Kayakman]

8 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

' gelled ' , most of these lot played last season 

A new style with lots of new bodies...they will come together and when they do the ability to rack up alot of points quick will be there.

It will come together...if it doesn't then so be it.  We are playing to win.

[TIWIT]

10 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Wilkins, can't be bothered, lazy booting of a loose ball, severe reprimand? Doubt it. Buy him out of his contract, get shut. 

Wilkins is hurt and probably shouldn't be playing at all.

[GUBRATS]

4 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Toronto werent going to beat sts in the middle, had to go around them

I've seen plenty of leeds performances that bad even in years we won things

They didn't have to beat them in the middle , all they had to do was complete and put it in the hands of the weather , instead they committed suicide 

[North but south]

23 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Quantity , ' good finance ' ?

I didn't say it would help them, but the salary cap is floored. There is nothing to stop west Wales spending full cap and going bust halfway through the season.

[GUBRATS]

7 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Toronto werent going to beat sts in the middle, had to go around them

I've seen plenty of leeds performances that bad even in years we won things

But with much better players than Toronto , and a Headingley crowd , not forgetting Leeds dispensation on forward passes

[GUBRATS]

5 minutes ago, North but south said:

I didn't say it would help them, but the salary cap is floored. There is nothing to stop west Wales spending full cap and going bust halfway through the season.

I posted ' quantify '  , the tablet changed it 

So you mean as long as they can afford it , no matter how ?

[Oxford]

45 minutes ago, North but south said:

A better system would reward teams for good finance

So a better system would be one that gives us the same top 5 as this one, yep!

[Smudger06]

SBW needs to step up. At the end of the day he's won Grand Finals with two NRL Clubs and has 12 caps for the NZ Kiwis. He's got to be the one to rise to the challenge & to show passion and commitment, now. 

That said, it could turn out to be the worst signing in the history of Rugby League, McDermott & Noble should have steered Argyle clear. 

[Kayakman]

2 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

SBW needs to step up. At the end of the day he's won Grand Finals with two NRL Clubs and has 12 caps for the NZ Kiwis. He's got to be the one to rise to the challenge & to show passion and commitment, now. 

That said, it could turn out to be the worst signing in the history of Rugby League, McDermott & Noble should have steered Argyle clear. 

You seem to have made up your mind already?

[RobertAM]

3 hours ago, Oxford said:

I can't accept this, it's the salary cap that prevents TWP from doing what you say, making it so that clubs can't overspend which is what it's really for.

I agree with you a salary cap stops things getting out of hand and I wouldn't want to see the financial lunacy that is the NBA, MLB and Soccer everywhere start to take hold in RL but increasing the cap sufficiently to close the gap to RU to me would be a good strategic move..right now players other than the marquee and a level below are underpaid for what they put on the line.

[Smudger06]

4 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

You seem to have made up your mind already?

No I'm hoping he steps up. I promise you. Otherwise I would have just posted the 2nd paragraph. 

[Kayakman]

1 minute ago, Smudger06 said:

No I'm hoping he steps up. I promise you. Otherwise I would have just posted the 2nd paragraph. 

He will step up...we want to playing our best rugby as we approach the summer months...it will all come together then with a flashy new style and lots of points.

We will do it!

[Big Picture]

8 minutes ago, RobertAM said:

I agree with you a salary cap stops things getting out of hand and I wouldn't want to see the financial lunacy that is the NBA, MLB and Soccer everywhere start to take hold in RL but increasing the cap sufficiently to close the gap to RU to me would be a good strategic move..right now players other than the marquee and a level below are underpaid for what they put on the line.

MLB and the NBA have salary caps, they're just much higher than either RU or RL salary caps.  Closing the gap with RU would require a cap about 2-1/2 times as high as the present cap, how would you propose such an increase be funded when many current SL clubs can't even afford to spend the current cap amount?

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, Smudger06 said:

This is squarely down to McDermott & mainly Noble. 

They have massively let down an owner new to the sport, their knowledge and experience of the sport and operational rules should have been more than enough to foresee these issues and deal with them through proper planning. Very poor effort indeed.

For those with bad memories Noble did exactly the same with Dr Koukash at Salford the good Doc said here you are Brian a cheque book go out and buy me a team, needless to say Brian F#*&ed that up. 

[Kayakman]

4 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

MLB and the NBA have salary caps, they're just much higher than either RU or RL salary caps.  Closing the gap with RU would require a cap about 2-1/2 times as high as the present cap, how would you propose such an increase be funded when many current SL clubs can't even afford to spend the current cap amount?

1/2 million pound increase with another marquee player (3)....that would be a good start to things but not a bridge too far.

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Kayakman said:

If they are allowed to be relegated it will be the end of expansion and the start of "The Great Contraction".

My missus says I am suffering from that very same ailment!

[Big Picture]

1 minute ago, Kayakman said:

1/2 million pound increase with another marquee player (3)....that would be a good start to things but not a bridge too far.

You missed my point entirely.  Without more revenue coming in, how are any of the clubs supposed to afford a higher cap?  And 1/2 million pounds won't get anywhere near to closing the gap with RU either.

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, ojx said:

It doesn't look good. It does show how well London did last year, spending only half of the cap.

Better coach.

[Kayakman]

2 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

You missed my point entirely.  Without more revenue coming in, how are any of the clubs supposed to afford a higher cap?  And 1/2 million pounds won't get anywhere near to closing the gap with RU either.

They don't have to spend the higher cap if they don't want to...the 1/2 million is a step in the right direction but not too much of a stretch for some clubs...gives a club some leeway.