coronavirus

[Farmduck 3,054]

Never heard of passive smoking? OK you don't "catch smoking" but you can "catch" lung cancer from other people smoking. Also most mosquitoes pick up the malaria plasmodium while biting humans. So effectively, yes, you do catch malaria from other people.

It also appears that, outside China, it's pretty difficult to catch corona from other people. There are 376 cases outside China (including the 36 cases in Hong Kong) for a killer plague that has been around since early December. 64 of those cases are on the cruise ship moored off Tokyo. It's hard to imagine a better environment for disease transmission than a cruise ship. There has still only been one death outside China and, AFAIK, there hasn't been a death yet of a non-Chinese person.

I check the data every day and what I'm seeing is a failure of Chinese authorities to deal with corona. They were slow to identify the pathogen. Their initial reaction was deny and cover-up. And by the time that strategy was clearly failing, they had let the numbers blow out to where their own resources were inadequate.

Officially, China has only confirmed 400 new cases in the last 24 hours so maybe they've finally got their systems working properly.

[GUBRATS 3,100]

13 minutes ago, Shadow said:

You can catch measles though

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/05/142000-died-from-measles-last-year-who-estimates

I didn't realise we were having a competition ?

[GUBRATS 3,100]

10 minutes ago, Farmduck said:

Never heard of passive smoking? OK you don't "catch smoking" but you can "catch" lung cancer from other people smoking. Also most mosquitoes pick up the malaria plasmodium while biting humans. So effectively, yes, you do catch malaria from other people.

It also appears that, outside China, it's pretty difficult to catch corona from other people. There are 376 cases outside China (including the 36 cases in Hong Kong) for a killer plague that has been around since early December. 64 of those cases are on the cruise ship moored off Tokyo. It's hard to imagine a better environment for disease transmission than a cruise ship. There has still only been one death outside China and, AFAIK, there hasn't been a death yet of a non-Chinese person.

I check the data every day and what I'm seeing is a failure of Chinese authorities to deal with corona. They were slow to identify the pathogen. Their initial reaction was deny and cover-up. And by the time that strategy was clearly failing, they had let the numbers blow out to where their own resources were inadequate.

Officially, China has only confirmed 400 new cases in the last 24 hours so maybe they've finally got their systems working properly.

Yes but it's not like the whole planet knows smoking is stupid 

As I put above , are we having some kind of strange competition ?

[Farmduck 3,054]

10 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Yes but it's not like the whole planet knows smoking is stupid 

As I put above , are we having some kind of strange competition ?

No we're maintaining a sense of proportion. Well, some of us are.

[Shadow 5,301]

1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

I didn't realise we were having a competition ?

More people will die from Flu and Measles this year but the hysteria over the Corona virus seems a touch excessive. 

[GUBRATS 3,100]

1 hour ago, Farmduck said:

No we're maintaining a sense of proportion. Well, some of us are.

Proportion is fine if you are dealing with known quantifyable issues , viral diseases like this aren't , that's why it's a major problem , one day one might come along that won't be as easy to control

[MattSantos 753]

16 minutes ago, Shadow said:

More people will die from Flu and Measles this year but the hysteria over the Corona virus seems a touch excessive. 

It really is.

My office area is a ghost town. Panic over the weekend was embarrassing.

 

[ckn 12,443]

On 10/02/2020 at 09:13, Shadow said:

More people will die from Flu and Measles this year but the hysteria over the Corona virus seems a touch excessive. 

People under-emphasise flu and measles. Their impacts are high enough that I'm quite a zealot when it comes to people "opting out" of flu vaccines, especially when they work in high-contact environments such as healthcare. Immunise those who can take it to protect those who can't and those at highest risk of dying.

That's why the coronavirus thing is so important as it'll overwhelmingly kill those who are vulnerable (with outliers of the healthy dying as well).

[ckn 12,443]

Now this is exaggeration. This won't be a problem. Londoners love giving everyone lots of personal space on the tube and their personal hygiene over sneezing means that no-one is at risk.

The thought of the Central line at rush hour makes me shudder on a normal spring or autumn day. In summer, it's a sweatshop of stinky overheating people. In winter, it's an almost permanent parody of people coughing and sneezing, some into their hands that they then immediately wipe on the pole they're holding onto.

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32 minutes ago, ckn said:

Now this is exaggeration. This won't be a problem. Londoners love giving everyone lots of personal space on the tube and their personal hygiene over sneezing means that no-one is at risk.

The thought of the Central line at rush hour makes me shudder on a normal spring or autumn day. In summer, it's a sweatshop of stinky overheating people. In winter, it's an almost permanent parody of people coughing and sneezing, some into their hands that they then immediately wipe on the pole they're holding onto.

Yes - I can absolutely hate it at times taking public transport like trains. Having to take the Overground everyday to and from work, I try and avoid touching any of the poles or seats with my hands.

[ckn 12,443]

Had a Chinese takeaway for lunch today. The young Chinese lad serving had a sweatshirt on with "Tokyo, Japan" across the front.

[GUBRATS 3,100]

Who fancies a cruise on the ' Corona Princess ' next year ?

[gingerjon 10,433]

On 19/02/2020 at 14:25, ckn said:

Had a Chinese takeaway for lunch today. The young Chinese lad serving had a sweatshirt on with "Tokyo, Japan" across the front.

What level of knowledge are we dealing with in this country?

I ran a pub quiz at work and one of the questions began, "Which Chinese city ..."

The majority answer was Tokyo.

[JohnM 6,425]

13 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Who fancies a cruise on the ' Corona Princess ' next year ?

They do have the option of changing the name, something that does happen in the cruise business. It gets a good score in Berlitz Cruising and Cruise Ships.

Imagine trying to get travel and health insurance next year. "What did you say the name of the ship was,  sir. " ..er.. Diamond Princess....."

[GUBRATS 3,100]

44 minutes ago, JohnM said:

They do have the option of changing the name, something that does happen in the cruise business. It gets a good score in Berlitz Cruising and Cruise Ships.

Imagine trying to get travel and health insurance next year. "What did you say the name of the ship was,  sir. " ..er.. Diamond Princess....."

As my Dad said yesterday " they might as well scuttle it " 

[The Future is League 2,281]

On 13/02/2020 at 16:18, ckn said:

Now this is exaggeration. This won't be a problem. Londoners love giving everyone lots of personal space on the tube and their personal hygiene over sneezing means that no-one is at risk.

The thought of the Central line at rush hour makes me shudder on a normal spring or autumn day. In summer, it's a sweatshop of stinky overheating people. In winter, it's an almost permanent parody of people coughing and sneezing, some into their hands that they then immediately wipe on the pole they're holding onto.

Seriously i was in London recently and travelled on the tube and was astonished how many Chinese people were on it compared to last year when i was there. I presumed rightly or wrongly that quite a few are recently arrived from Hong Kong after the recent troubles there.

[Bedford Roughyed 6,067]

This is a parody right?

 

[GUBRATS 3,100]

On 10/02/2020 at 07:56, Farmduck said:

No we're maintaining a sense of proportion. Well, some of us are.

Good to see the Coronavirus scare us nearly over now

[GUBRATS 3,100]

On 10/02/2020 at 09:13, Shadow said:

More people will die from Flu and Measles this year but the hysteria over the Corona virus seems a touch excessive. 

Course it does , nearly over with 

[ckn 12,443]

Travellers who've been to Italian blockaded towns added to the "self-isolate now" list.

A bit late... should have done this immediately on Italy sealing them off as by now they could have contaminated quite a bit.

[ckn 12,443]

An interesting time-series showing the rise of this versus other outbreaks.

 

[gingerjon 10,433]

1 hour ago, ckn said:

Travellers who've been to Italian blockaded towns added to the "self-isolate now" list.

A bit late... should have done this immediately on Italy sealing them off as by now they could have contaminated quite a bit.

Our response to this bit seems a bit a woolly.

[ckn 12,443]

Just now, gingerjon said:

Our response to this bit seems a bit a woolly.

It really is... 4 people confirmed with it sent to 3 separate hospitals, effectively trebling the risk of accidental infection of others.

[ckn 12,443]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Our response to this bit seems a bit a woolly.

A new one just out... our hospitals have been told not to stockpile face masks. Not to protect supply chains or anything else, just because... The one place you really want a significant stockpile is hospitals, you'd think.

[gingerjon 10,433]

6 minutes ago, ckn said:

A new one just out... our hospitals have been told not to stockpile face masks. Not to protect supply chains or anything else, just because... The one place you really want a significant stockpile is hospitals, you'd think.

You actual what?