Sat 27th Mar: SL: Wakefield Trinity v Leeds Rhinos KO 15:00 (Sky)

[OMEGA]

Wakefield bombed at least 3 nailed on Try’s where it seemed easier to score than not to.

The Tupou break, Fifita’s round the man pass to Tangata and the Lyne forward pass (which wasn’t) to Senior would all have been scored under or near the posts. 18 points blown!

[DavidM]

Just now, Tommygilf said:

And be on TV less. Shame really as I think he's individually better than say Handley (who as you say benefits from playing in a team that creates more chances), but Handley is more likely to be in the England squad.

If handley is in the England squad ahead of Johnstone coz he plays for a bigger club Wane should resign , emigrate and self isolate for ever on a desert island 

[weloveyouwakefield2]

16 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Blame the ref if it makes you feel better.

I don’t blame the referee for losing the game, I blame him for not doing his job properly!

[WakefieldCityLoyal]

7 minutes ago, fieldofclothofgold said:

Wakefield ought to  Be a big club 

We will be again.

 Up the Trin 

[Tommygilf]

Just now, DavidM said:

If handley is in the England squad ahead of Johnstone coz he plays for a bigger club Wane should resign , emigrate and self isolate for ever on a desert island 

He was top scorer in the League last year tbf, but he's very fortunate to play outside Konrad Hurrell, who attracts and sucks in defenders like a hoover. But he's the sort of player Johnstone is up against. 

Another good example, Danny Houghton vs Josh Hodgson - going to the NRL turned an average hooker for Hull KR into an England pick.

[Chrispmartha]

5 minutes ago, weloveyouwakefield2 said:

I don’t blame the referee for losing the game, I blame him for not doing his job properly!

But he did

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

Injuries are the only issues that will keep Johnstone out of the England side.  He is that good that it matters not who he plays for.

 

Makinson is a cert for one spot and a fit Manfredi is TJs biggest rival for slot2

 

[Tommygilf]

11 minutes ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

Injuries are the only issues that will keep Johnstone out of the England side.  He is that good that it matters not who he plays for.

 

Makinson is a cert for one spot and a fit Manfredi is TJs biggest rival for slot2

Possibly, I think England will want a bigger winger in the mould of a McGilvary given the likely opposition we will face on route to the final

[dboy]

3 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Possibly, I think England will want a bigger winger in the mould of a McGilvary given the likely opposition we will face on route to the final

Bigger than TJ?

How "small" do you think he is?

[Tommygilf]

7 minutes ago, dboy said:

Bigger than TJ?

How "small" do you think he is?

He's not a battering ram style winger who could be a prop is he?

From a stylistic point he's far closer to a Makinson than a Ryan Hall. If Wane decides he wants 1 of his wingers to be that short range battering ram style player and the other to be an outright pace tricky winger, then TJ is up against the incumbent Makinson for the other spot.

[dboy]

6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

He's not a battering ram style winger who could be a prop is he?

From a stylistic point he's far closer to a Makinson than a Ryan Hall. If Wane decides he wants 1 of his wingers to be that short range battering ram style player and the other to be an outright pace tricky winger, then TJ is up against the incumbent Makinson for the other spot.

He's bigger than Makinson and faster and more agile than Hall; more of an athlete than Hall.

England's WC wingers are Johnstone (left)& Makinson (right).

Only injury can change that.

[Curly perm]

1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

That's probably because Wakefield (Johnstone aside) were pretty dire against a rusty Leeds team

I know you’re trying to insult Wakey with this one but surely it says more that a ‘rusty’ Leeds side only just scraped a win against a ‘dire’ Wakefield team.

I don’t agree that Wakefield were dire. Both teams were bound to be rusty and both had injuries. It was a just a close game. 

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, weloveyouwakefield2 said:

It’s not hard to write Johnstone is it? Afterall that’s just his name??

Pull me up for a spelling mistake, point taken but was I correct?

[Tommygilf]

13 minutes ago, Curly perm said:

I know you’re trying to insult Wakey with this one but surely it says more that a ‘rusty’ Leeds side only just scraped a win against a ‘dire’ Wakefield team.

I don’t agree that Wakefield were dire. Both teams were bound to be rusty and both had injuries. It was a just a close game. 

I know we scraped a win. Good teams find a way to play poorly and win. That Leeds played poorly, had most of the backline out and still pretty comfortably came out on top of Wakefield says a lot imo.

[dboy]

Just now, Tommygilf said:

I know we scraped a win. Good teams find a way to play poorly and win. That Leeds played poorly, had most of the backline out and still pretty comfortably came out on top of Wakefield says a lot imo.

Comfortably????

Alrightyyyyy...

[weloveyouwakefield2]

4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Pull me up for a spelling mistake, point taken but was I correct?

I pulled you up because you did it more than once... Eddie Hemings called Tom Johnstone, Johnson for years then for some reason changed it to John stone for some bizarre reason 

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

Same in other sports, you don't tend to get picked for England unless you're at one of the big clubs. Johnstone scoring the tries he does at Wigan, Leeds, Saints or Warrington, he's much closer to that England shirt. You have to be exceptional from a weaker club to get picked, and often that isn't enough. Likewise you can be going through a rough patch at a big club and still get picked - shame but that's so often how it works. 

And always has been Tommy, there have been some in the past well worthy but at the wrong club, and a lot at the right club who should have been nowhere near.

[weloveyouwakefield2]

1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

Well yeah, I don't know if you ever played any sport but that generally happens. In fact that's exactly how Johnstone summed it up that they had 15 or so minutes giving away penalties which led to tries. And the more penalties you give away the easier you make it for the ref to penalise you further as the trouble compounds itself.

Two Breakaway tries from Johnstone flattered Wakefield on the scoreboard

Hull Kr have been playing awful against Catalans they have had set restarts and penalties. Funnily after getting decisions in their favour they are coming back into the game!! Amazing that isn’t it??

[Harry Stottle]

9 minutes ago, weloveyouwakefield2 said:

I pulled you up because you did it more than once... Eddie Hemings called Tom Johnstone, Johnson for years then for some reason changed it to John stone for some bizarre reason 

C'mon I conceeded, now where was Johnstone for that Bill T. (Not risking that one) break upfield?

He backs up Wakey win.

[Tommygilf]

25 minutes ago, dboy said:

He's bigger than Makinson and faster and more agile than Hall; more of an athlete than Hall.

England's WC wingers are Johnstone (left)& Makinson (right).

Only injury can change that.

I was talking in terms of examples of styles. Against Samoa in the opener and likely Tonga in the semi final, "TJ" and Makinson would be noticeably light as a wing pairing versus what we would be up against. I wouldn't blame a coach for picking a basher style winger to support the forwards in games like that and RL coaches seem to like having specialists at one or the other.

I like the idea of Johnstone for England, but if Wane is wanting a basher on one wing and a flyer on the other, Johnstone is up against Makinson for that latter role.

[Tommygilf]

9 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

And always has been Tommy, there have been some in the past well worthy but at the wrong club, and a lot at the right club who should have been nowhere near.

Yeah it happens doesn't it. Often its unfair but on occasion it can be warranted - easy to stand out in a poor team sometimes for example.

[dboy]

6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

I was talking in terms of examples of styles. Against Samoa in the opener and likely Tonga in the semi final, "TJ" and Makinson would be noticeably light as a wing pairing versus what we would be up against. I wouldn't blame a coach for picking a basher style winger to support the forwards in games like that and RL coaches seem to like having specialists at one or the other.

I like the idea of Johnstone for England, but if Wane is wanting a basher on one wing and a flyer on the other, Johnstone is up against Makinson for that latter role.

You are talking nonsense. 

Makinson is proven at the top of SL.

TJ is not lightweight - he's bigger than Makinson.

Why would a coach want different styles on the wings? He'd want the best winger in each spot.

Makinson - the smaller of the two - is likely to be up against Maika Sivo - if you want a "basher", it's on the right wing.

Injuries permitting, the wingers are Makinson and Johnstone.

[Tommygilf]

11 minutes ago, weloveyouwakefield2 said:

Hull Kr have been playing awful against Catalans they have had set restarts and penalties. Funnily after getting decisions in their favour they are coming back into the game!! Amazing that isn’t it??

Or they came back into the game, Catalans are imploding a bit as KR in a purple patch, and the bounce of the ball (and refs calls) are going more towards KR. Teams going backwards concede more penalties.

Don't blame the ref for doing his job.

[Curly perm]

17 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

I know we scraped a win. Good teams find a way to play poorly and win. That Leeds played poorly, had most of the backline out and still pretty comfortably came out on top of Wakefield says a lot imo.

Comfortably scraping wins. I think you might’ve convinced yourself that what you wanted to happen, happened. Leeds can say they won comfortably, that they’re just rusty and Wakefield are still rubbish - everything is ok in the world. 

[dboy]

1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Or they came back into the game, Catalans are imploding a bit as KR in a purple patch, and the bounce of the ball (and refs calls) are going more towards KR. Teams going backwards concede more penalties.

Don't blame the ref for doing his job.

There was an instance of Gayle coming into a dead tackle - about 10 mins late - that should have been a clean penalty. It wasn't.

It's that disparity in the application of the rules that affects the outcome and flow of games.