2022 New Kits, Sponsors and Suppliers

[Dave T]

Just now, bobbruce said:

Idle hands and all that. 

Aye,  nothing to clap for a while

[EastLondonMike]

The WC gear will not be official 'England' product, but official 'WC' product. So it wouldn't have necessarily gone past the RFL, just like all the other teams merch wouldn't have gone past their governing bodies. its classic low level licensing.

[Dave T]

16 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said:

The WC gear will not be official 'England' product, but official 'WC' product. So it wouldn't have necessarily gone past the RFL, just like all the other teams merch wouldn't have gone past their governing bodies. its classic low level licensing.

Without going over the colour schemes again,  but red is still part of England's colour scheme anyway,  plenty of their official training gear is red,  in a similar way that when our kits have been red we've had plenty of blue training gear and t shirts etc. 

[Ragingbull]

33 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said:

The WC gear will not be official 'England' product, but official 'WC' product. So it wouldn't have necessarily gone past the RFL, just like all the other teams merch wouldn't have gone past their governing bodies. its classic low level licensing.

And both are absolutely terrible.

Add to the fact its Kappa whose sizes are dsigned for Itallian midgets and their quality is the worst ive seen in over 30 years of buying replica shirts.

[EastLondonMike]

5 minutes ago, Ragingbull said:

And both are absolutely terrible.

Add to the fact its Kappa whose sizes are dsigned for Itallian midgets and their quality is the worst ive seen in over 30 years of buying replica shirts.

They are not great. This is very true. Not wanting to go down another rabbit hole but sizing really should be driven by (in this case) the RLWC guys, not Kappa. Because then you do have a situation where you are working with a number of different partners, each working to a different size spec. creating confusion for the consumer. Though to be fair this is something that you'd possibly only pick up on if you worked in apparel. 

I'd also assume the Kappa license holder in the UK are the principal partner here, not Kappa in Italy. Though Italians generally are the same size as us Brits

[Gomersall]

1 hour ago, EastLondonMike said:

They are not great. This is very true. Not wanting to go down another rabbit hole but sizing really should be driven by (in this case) the RLWC guys, not Kappa. Because then you do have a situation where you are working with a number of different partners, each working to a different size spec. creating confusion for the consumer. Though to be fair this is something that you'd possibly only pick up on if you worked in apparel. 

I'd also assume the Kappa license holder in the UK are the principal partner here, not Kappa in Italy. Though Italians generally are the same size as us Brits

I don’t understand why sizes aren’t universal. Surely a *42” chest is a 42” chest whether I’m British or Chinese? If a 42” chest is a M then it’s a M worldwide. I don’t get why a M suddenly becomes a S with a different manufacturer or it’s sold in a different country!

*Other measuring systems and shirt sizes are available.

[Wholly Trinity]

1 hour ago, Gomersall said:

I don’t understand why sizes aren’t universal. Surely a *42” chest is a 42” chest whether I’m British or Chinese? If a 42” chest is a M then it’s a M worldwide. I don’t get why a M suddenly becomes a S with a different manufacturer or it’s sold in a different country!

*Other measuring systems and shirt sizes are available.

In Asia, it wouldn't make sense. I buy S here but XL over there.

Edit:

There is also the advantage of buying kids size clothing for adult relatives over there (no VAT)

Edited September 20, 2022 by Wholly Trinity

[EastLondonMike]

5 hours ago, Gomersall said:

I don’t understand why sizes aren’t universal. Surely a *42” chest is a 42” chest whether I’m British or Chinese? If a 42” chest is a M then it’s a M worldwide. I don’t get why a M suddenly becomes a S with a different manufacturer or it’s sold in a different country!

*Other measuring systems and shirt sizes are available.

Most brands operate with their own size guides, for their own reasons, which differ in  parts. Depending on the kind of fit they want. Most brands (the good ones) will instruct a supplier to work to their size guides so consumers can buy safe in the knowledge that the T-shirt they bought a few years ago will fit exactly the same as the one available to purchase now.

[Dave T]

I know it's off topic,  but the reception to the England football kit for the Fifa World Cup is not good! 

The red away kit does seem popular -  on that topic,  surely England RL will have one?  I hate this attitude that the big nations don't have 2nd kits,  just the plebs. 

[Mattrhino]

15 hours ago, Ragingbull said:

And both are absolutely terrible.

Add to the fact its Kappa whose sizes are dsigned for Itallian midgets and their quality is the worst ive seen in over 30 years of buying replica shirts.

I tried shopping for clothes in Italy once, never again felt a right fat barsteward.

[Gomersall]

2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

The red away kit does seem popular -  on that topic,  surely England RL will have one?  I hate this attitude that the big nations don't have 2nd kits,  just the plebs. 

If for nothing else than it’s another source of income.

[Dave T]

Just now, Gomersall said:

If for nothing else than it’s another source of income.

I think kit launches are a good way for a bit of media and fan coverage too.  People like kits and there are collectors around,  we should have a 1st and 2nd kit for every nation. 

[gingerjon]

10 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I know it's off topic,  but the reception to the England football kit for the Fifa World Cup is not good! 

The 'home' one just looks like a training top to me. I can see the red one selling really well though.

[RP London]

27 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The 'home' one just looks like a training top to me. I can see the red one selling really well though.

surely not... navy blue is the way!! 

(agree the away is nice but £75 for a football shirt.. crikey!)

[Dave T]

33 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The 'home' one just looks like a training top to me. I can see the red one selling really well though.

It does surprise me how many different ways you can get classic football kits 'wrong'. 

[Jughead]

16 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think kit launches are a good way for a bit of media and fan coverage too.  People like kits and there are collectors around,  we should have a 1st and 2nd kit for every nation. 

I totally get what you are saying but on average, England football must play ten games in a calendar year, we’re very lucky as a sport if we get an average of 4 a year and an alternate kit when England play that few seems a bit of a rip off for fans, especially given the likely usage we’d get out of an alternate kit. 

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I totally get what you are saying but on average, England football must play ten games in a calendar year, we’re very lucky as a sport if we get an average of 4 a year and an alternate kit when England play that few seems a bit of a rip off for fans, especially given the likely usage we’d get out of an alternate kit. 

Im referring to a tournament like this year.  We should make it to the semi finals (don't want to jinx us),  which would see us play 5 games plus a warmup,  plus 2 Knights games,  I think of all years an alternate strip would be used this year. 

Even Brazil have an alternate strip. 

[Barley Mow]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

Im referring to a tournament like this year.  We should make it to the semi finals (don't want to jinx us),  which would see us play 5 games plus a warmup,  plus 2 Knights games,  I think of all years an alternate strip would be used this year. 

Even Brazil have an alternate strip. 

We're going to need one for the world cup - every team in our group is playing in blue and white.

I think the French alternate kit is mainly red, so that's fine. Greece have a blue with white stripes 1st choice and a white with blue stripes 2nd choice. Samoa - 1st choice blue with white trim, 2nd choice white with blue trim.

England need an alternative to wear in two of the three group games. France could end up wearing their 2nd kit in every match!

Edited September 21, 2022 by Barley Mow

[Gomersall]

1 hour ago, RP London said:

surely not... navy blue is the way!! 

(agree the away is nice but £75 for a football shirt.. crikey!)

I take it you’re not a Chelsea fan. £75 would be classed as cheap.

[gingerjon]

3 minutes ago, Gomersall said:

I take it you’re not a Chelsea fan. £75 would be classed as cheap.

Lionesses shirt was £95+ in the summer, I think.

[Gomersall]

Just now, gingerjon said:

Lionesses shirt was £95+ in the summer, I think.

Chelsea’s is circa £114

[gingerjon]

5 minutes ago, Gomersall said:

Chelsea’s is circa £114

No wonder there is a market for cunning fakes that are impossible to tell from the real thing, as in

[Dave T]

59 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

We're going to need one for the world cup - every team in our group is playing in blue and white.

I think the French alternate kit is mainly red, so that's fine. Greece have a blue with white stripes 1st choice and a white with blue stripes 2nd choice. Samoa - 1st choice blue with white trim, 2nd choice white with blue trim.

England need an alternative to wear in two of the three group games.

I'm stunned that Greece have a) thought that kit was a good idea, and b ) had it approved!

The Greece one is problematic, I think the others should work out in terms of light base v dark base....

But it doesn't make sense that it is just the 'smaller' nations that have alternate strips, and not England, Aus etc.

[Henson Park Old Firm]

31 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

No wonder there is a market for cunning fakes that are impossible to tell from the real thing, as in

I have a Bayern Dortmund jersey  at home

[RP London]

1 hour ago, Gomersall said:

I take it you’re not a Chelsea fan. £75 would be classed as cheap.

no i'm not... as an Owl i know this years shirt is up there at around that but I'm still always shocked by it..  its an utter waste of money the material is awful the designs are never great I'd bauk at paying that much for most of my clothes (except good shoes, a suit (or nice smart jacket) and a good coat!)