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19 minutes ago, kiggy said:

No2 son arrived home today for some summer leave. He's a medic with the Marines. Catching up with his brother this topic came up. The gap can be 3-4 weeks (that's all we waited for in France) there is no need for such a long wait. If the need arises you can ask for a shorter turnaround. Only for AZ and Pfizer vaccines though.

No need for a time machine then, just some common sense and planning. 

Still... we are where we are... they just have to get on with it. I hope the later games are not cancelled when we get to the business end of the season for this same reason.

We're in the UK though where it's still 8-12 weeks between doses (I believe the 8 week gap is primarily for the over 40s). Even with an 8 week gap that would still mean the first under 30s to be vaxxed are a week away from 'fully vaccinated' status.

Anyway, we're straying into 'political' territory so best leave alone otherwise we'll end up with our posts deleted 😏

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8 hours ago, PECETTO said:

Ah ok ! I understand now : toulouse win this match because Fev were the best team…. I hope TO players appreciate how luckuy they were… 

I didn't say that.  But the score certainly didn't reflect the game.  Toulouse got away with a lot of things they won't get away with in SL

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11 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

We're in the UK though where it's still 8-12 weeks between doses (I believe the 8 week gap is primarily for the over 40s). Even with an 8 week gap that would still mean the first under 30s to be vaxxed are a week away from 'fully vaccinated' status.

Anyway, we're straying into 'political' territory so best leave alone otherwise we'll end up with our posts deleted 😏

Yes, more political I guess, but just to let you know in the UK it *is* better to wait longer but the official statement from the vaccine manufacturers is anytime after 4 weeks. 

Ho hum. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope to see York playing in Toulouse this season, but, in reality it looks like next season before we will see any RL in Toulouse.

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43 minutes ago, kiggy said:

Yes, more political I guess, but just to let you know in the UK it *is* better to wait longer but the official statement from the vaccine manufacturers is anytime after 4 weeks. 

It's a medical decision taken on a national basis. They believe the data shows better long-term immunity with 8+ weeks than 4 weeks. So rugby league clubs or individual players can't just ask for a shorter gap. We should be at the point where all adults will have been able to have had two doses (plus two weeks for the immune response to build) by early September. 

Hopefully that will allow Toulouse the opportunity to play at least one home game before the play-offs.

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2 hours ago, kiggy said:

Yes, more political I guess, but just to let you know in the UK it *is* better to wait longer but the official statement from the vaccine manufacturers is anytime after 4 weeks. 

Ho hum. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope to see York playing in Toulouse this season, but, in reality it looks like next season before we will see any RL in Toulouse.

it looks like next season before we will see any RL in Toulouse. Rfl announce next two games Fax and Batley cancelled

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35 minutes ago, POR said:

it looks like next season before we will see any RL in Toulouse. Rfl announce next two games Fax and Batley cancelled

Yes, just picked that up as well. Batley will be happy, getting spanked by 30+ would have put a dent in their win %. 😉 Week off for them then to recuperate for a final push to the end of the season.

Hopefully, the two away games at Oldham and Newcastle will go ahead so that TO can complete 13 matches. It would be a crying shame if they only ended up playing 12 with a 100% record.

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29 minutes ago, kiggy said:

Yes, just picked that up as well. Batley will be happy, getting spanked by 30+ would have put a dent in their win %. 😉 Week off for them then to recuperate for a final push to the end of the season.

Hopefully, the two away games at Oldham and Newcastle will go ahead so that TO can complete 13 matches. It would be a crying shame if they only ended up playing 12 with a 100% record.

What, and Halifax will be gutted they can't go?

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1 hour ago, distantdog said:

What, and Halifax will be gutted they can't go?

I think Fev will be more disappointed than us with Fax been the team that has been closest to beating Toulouse this season. 🤣

Just looked at the table and Toulouse conceded a 3rd of their points against us in that game. 😁

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22 hours ago, PECETTO said:

Ah ok ! I understand now : toulouse win this match because Fev were the best team…. I hope TO players appreciate how luckuy they were… 

Were you there?  Did you see Toulouse slowing down the ruck, illegally reefing the ball?  I was and I did.  Nevertheless until the last 15 minutes it was a tight game, when Fev who'd played tough games at Wembley and Bradford in the previous weeks ran out of steam/  Toulouse who hadn't played for three weeks didn't.  I see they've had two more home games postponed, another chance for r&r, not afforded to other sides.

The anti Fev atmosphere on this forum has been growing for years, now it has become really poisonous.  Is it any wonder that there is hostility to this forum on the Fev Facebook page.  Is it any wonder that Fev fans chant "no one likes us, we don't care?"

The fact is that Toulouse are not a virtual SL side - far from it.

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3 minutes ago, Trojan said:

Were you there?  Did you see Toulouse slowing down the ruck, illegally reefing the ball?  I was and I did.  Nevertheless until the last 15 minutes it was a tight game, when Fev who'd played tough games at Wembley and Bradford in the previous weeks ran out of steam/  Toulouse who hadn't played for three weeks didn't.  I see they've had two more home games postponed, another chance for r&r, not afforded to other sides.

The anti Fev atmosphere on this forum has been growing for years, now it has become really poisonous.  Is it any wonder that there is hostility to this forum on the Fev Facebook page.  Is it any wonder that Fev fans chant "no one likes us, we don't care?"

The fact is that Toulouse are not a virtual SL side - far from it.

There is no anti fev attitude on this forum, merely an acknowledgement that Toulouse being in SL has the potential to grow the game more than Fev. If we´re going to 14 Fev will get the chance to show everyone what they can do and will actually add a few good games for TV with Wakey and Cas close. 

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1 minute ago, Trojan said:

Were you there?  Did you see Toulouse slowing down the ruck, illegally reefing the ball?  I was and I did.  Nevertheless until the last 15 minutes it was a tight game, when Fev who'd played tough games at Wembley and Bradford in the previous weeks ran out of steam/  Toulouse who hadn't played for three weeks didn't.  I see they've had two more home games postponed, another chance for r&r, not afforded to other sides.

The anti Fev atmosphere on this forum has been growing for years, now it has become really poisonous.  Is it any wonder that there is hostility to this forum on the Fev Facebook page.  Is it any wonder that Fev fans chant "no one likes us, we don't care?"

The fact is that Toulouse are not a virtual SL side - far from it.

Anti-Fev atmosphere? I think almost everyone thinks Fev are a great club, filled with tradition and vibrancy (despite the odd misdemeanour off the field). Doesn’t mean people can’t see the opportunity for the sport with Toulouse in the top flight though… and beyond benefits to English RL structures (see IRL thread and Grant’s comments). 

 

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1 minute ago, ShropshireBull said:

There is no anti fev attitude on this forum, merely an acknowledgement that Toulouse being in SL has the potential to grow the game more than Fev. If we´re going to 14 Fev will get the chance to show everyone what they can do and will actually add a few good games for TV with Wakey and Cas close. 

Excuse me, I've been on this forum since  before 2004.  The Anti fev feeling goes that far back.  Toulouse will do no more for RL than Celtic Crusaders or Toronto or any of the other half assed attempts at expansion.

Expansion will come from having a successful international sided, that pushes its way on to the sports pages.  You only have to look at the interest in obscure sports at the Olympics, providing there's some British success.  And RL has a head start over many of these sports, like dressage or BMXing  - the public are familiar with it.   Fev were artificially excluded from SL at the start in favour of Paris and London - look where that led.  All Fev fans want is the chance for their team to compete in the top flight.  If we fail we fail, at least we had a chance.  For most of the early teens of this century we were the top championship club, but were denied access.  Featherstone have built a ground themselves, largely by vounteer labour to satisfy the SL terms.  Unlike either Cas's or Wakey's.  We deserve our chance.  My bet is that in two or three years Toulouse will be another red face.

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1 minute ago, Trojan said:

Excuse me, I've been on this forum since  before 2004.  The Anti fev feeling goes that far back.  Toulouse will do no more for RL than Celtic Crusaders or Toronto or any of the other half assed attempts at expansion.

Expansion will come from having a successful international sided, that pushes its way on to the sports pages.  You only have to look at the interest in obscure sports at the Olympics, providing there's some British success.  And RL has a head start over many of these sports, like dressage or BMXing  - the public are familiar with it.   Fev were artificially excluded from SL at the start in favour of Paris and London - look where that led.  All Fev fans want is the chance for their team to compete in the top flight.  If we fail we fail, at least we had a chance.  For most of the early teens of this century we were the top championship club, but were denied access.  Featherstone have built a ground themselves, largely by vounteer labour to satisfy the SL terms.  Unlike either Cas's or Wakey's.  We deserve our chance.  My bet is that in two or three years Toulouse will be another red face.

Please see previous comment:  If we´re going to 14 Fev will get the chance to show everyone what they can do and will actually add a few good games for TV with Wakey and Cas close. 

There´s no evidence to suggest that Toulouse will be like Paris... 

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6 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

Anti-Fev atmosphere? I think almost everyone thinks Fev are a great club, filled with tradition and vibrancy (despite the odd misdemeanour off the field). Doesn’t mean people can’t see the opportunity for the sport with Toulouse in the top flight though… and beyond benefits to English RL structures (see IRL thread and Grant’s comments). 

 

all this doesn't make them the finished article though.  And say what you like they are benefitting hugely from fake 23-0 wins without risking their players on the field.  We turned out on the 1st of August minus our main playmaker, minus several other key players, with others carrying injuries, which is to be expected at this time of the season.  Toulouse hadn't played for three weeks. Plenty of chance to recover from all the little niggles and knocks that if you continue playing can turn into major problems.  Do you call that a level playing field?

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Just now, ShropshireBull said:

Please see previous comment:  If we´re going to 14 Fev will get the chance to show everyone what they can do and will actually add a few good games for TV with Wakey and Cas close. 

There´s no evidence to suggest that Toulouse will be like Paris... 

Toulouse are also not an expansion side… and have better roots/structures in place than many traditional English clubs.

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1 minute ago, ShropshireBull said:

Please see previous comment:  If we´re going to 14 Fev will get the chance to show everyone what they can do and will actually add a few good games for TV with Wakey and Cas close. 

There´s no evidence to suggest that Toulouse will be like Paris... 

What evidence was there that Paris would be like Paris?

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Just now, Trojan said:

all this doesn't make them the finished article though.  And say what you like they are benefitting hugely from fake 23-0 wins without risking their players on the field.  We turned out on the 1st of August minus our main playmaker, minus several other key players, with others carrying injuries, which is to be expected at this time of the season.  Toulouse hadn't played for three weeks. Plenty of chance to recover from all the little niggles and knocks that if you continue playing can turn into major problems.  Do you call that a level playing field?

Who’s fault is that? It’s certainly not Toulouse’s…

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Just now, GeordieSaint said:

Toulouse are also not an expansion side… and have better roots/structures in place than many traditional English clubs.

In that case why not do what the French experiment was originally touted as doing, rebuilding the game in France.  If Touilouse are that good and Catalans win SL, let them play one another in a reconstituted French comp.

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Just now, Trojan said:

What evidence was there that Paris would be like Paris?

Planting the sport in an oversized stadium nowhere near the player base when the sports popularity was in the south. They gave it a go but now we´ve got a nice blueprint with catalan and by giving them a rivalry game in SL it will only help grow exposure and opportunities for the game. 

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1 minute ago, GeordieSaint said:

Who’s fault is that? It’s certainly not Toulouse’s…

Well it's not Fev's and they are the ones who'll suffer

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Just now, Trojan said:

In that case why not do what the French experiment was originally touted as doing, rebuilding the game in France.  If Touilouse are that good and Catalans win SL, let them play one another in a reconstituted French comp.

You already know the answer, and imagine being so dense as to say we need to grow internationals but the incubation chamber of two french teams in SL you want to bin off and effectively kill both Catalan and Toulouse. This might be why some people have a pop at Fev, if this is the kind of narrowminded suggestion people chip in with. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Theres still playoffs to happen. I wouldn’t write off Halifax or others knocking Fev out in a one off game, plus we don’t know how Toulouse will be managed through a play off series

Fax might be a threat at home but can´t see them going to Fev and winning tbh. 

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2 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

You already know the answer, and imagine being so dense as to say we need to grow internationals but the incubation chamber of two french teams in SL you want to bin off and effectively kill both Catalan and Toulouse. This might be why some people have a pop at Fev, if this is the kind of narrowminded suggestion people chip in with. 

 

 

HOW DARE YOU!!!!  No one has been more supportive of correct expansion of RL.  Anyone who doesn't agree with me must be narrow minded.  I've seen this expansion again and again. Fulham - dead loss, Cardiff Blue ~Dragons, dead loss, Mansfield Marksmen , dead loss, Carlisle , dead loss, Kent Invicta, dead loss, Scarborough, dead loss, Sheffield, hanging on by a thread.  Celtic Crusaders - major embarrassment, Toronto ditto.  And I predict that Toulouse will go the same route, I hope I've wrong, but I fear I'm not.  Meantime a traditional club, who'd won the Championship and the CC three times since the 70's are to be denied access.

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