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50 minutes ago, MattSantos said:

I don't care, if Keighley want to go, let them.

If Fev wanted to go to RU, then let them.

Saying these statements is different to saying i want them to go. You shouldn't be so flippant with language Shropo.

I would love the Challenge Cup to be as it once was, but it probably won't. I'm going to wait and see what IMG actually propose rather than criticise and moan though.

The CC will never be as it was because the top SL teams only enter with a round left before the quarters when every other RL team has been whittled down to 5.

So, I Picked a date at random 1980 the then first division came in at last 32 hence 18 other teams not 5 had a shot.

Now because of the biased CF and Full-time teams thereof - some matches would be too easy - but the lesser teams would gain from share of gate incomes.

Plus, there is the chance that some SL teams would take each other out giving a slight chance of an upset.

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4 hours ago, Wakefield Ram said:

Glad it's not just me. I thought IMG were going to reveal their marketing ideas, which is their specialism.

it was rather underwhelming.  

What amuses me is that IMG say their has been too much focus on the league format and structure and not enough on improving the product.   Yet all the comment here is about the format and structure.

Of course one can see how the league format and structure could influence the product - although not in any short term.

It seems to me just like the last consultants that copied the Scottish football approach they had previous introduced which was  a failure and here we have IMG regurgitating what they did for Euroleague Basketball which is a European wide league with no UK clubs. A lot more freedom to create franchises and limiting how many teams fans have to support in a country.

So far IMG have not made it clear how your earlier question is answered, namely "Which of these proposals (apart from an international calendar) is going to make more people want to watch RL? Still predominantly the same players playing for the same clubs in the same stadiums to the same laws."  and I add in the same geographical area's with exception of a single club expansion focus. Plus significant increased numbers of people watching as distinct from a few percentage points.

Hopefully when more detail comes and they produce a paper on the how then it will be clearer and we will see some of the exciting and innovative idea's they have plus how to compete against the other sporting or entertainment on offer.

 

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2 minutes ago, redjonn said:

it was rather underwhelming.  

What amuses me is that IMG say their has been too much focus on the league format and structure and not enough on improving the product.   Yet all the comment here is about the format and structure.

Of course one can see how the league format and structure could influence the product - although not in any short term.

It seems to me just like the last consultants that copied the Scottish football approach they had previous introduced which was  a failure and here we have IMG regurgitating what they did for Euroleague Basketball which is a European wide league with no UK clubs. A lot more freedom to create franchises and limiting how many teams fans have to support in a country.

So far IMG have not made it clear how your earlier question is answered, namely "Which of these proposals (apart from an international calendar) is going to make more people want to watch RL? Still predominantly the same players playing for the same clubs in the same stadiums to the same laws."  and I add in the same geographical area's with exception of a single club expansion focus.

Hopefully when more detail comes and they produce a paper on the how then it will be clearer and we will see some of the exciting and innovative idea's they have plus how to compete against the other sporting or entertainment on offer.

 

The question I've asked on here several times 

Exactly how will this create millions of extra for RL and IMG ?

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20 hours ago, Wakefield Ram said:

All the proposals have achieved is to guarantee SL status for half a dozen of the biggest clubs and effectively end chance of promotion for a number of smaller clubs.  How that is going to drive people through the turnstiles I'm not sure. None of the proposals are new or innovative. 

The proposals look like classic management consultancy to tell the important people what they want to hear to get them onside before they go for the real money at the next stage.

I trust that IMG will have clear goals to get an A grade so clubs like Keighley are probably more likely to get that grade and become a Super League club than at present. But if Keighleys chairman is happy being in the Championship and going no higher because they can never break the ceiling of the big Championship clubs steamrollering everyone else in the name of “sporting integrity” then that’s up to him.

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On 29/09/2022 at 21:27, Derwent Parker said:

Well, if we can't share CF equally then let's say: -

"A" teams get £1.5 M etc 

"B" teams get £1.1 M etc 

"C" teams get 750k etc

That won't sell cos all SL teams will want their £1.7 M whatever grade they are

Where will the extra £20m a season come from. 

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9 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Where will the extra £20m a season come from. 

less for championship and league one of course.  as always, the money will go to those that make it. the cash cows in the A grade produce it and they will take the cream and leave the dregs.

welcome to the real world 

IMG is not noted for its work in minor leagues of any sport i recon

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22 hours ago, Derwent Parker said:

Unfortunately, yes - Because it didn't save the game from the financial mire it was in - it still is - It saved the few in SL.

Apart from Bradford who have dropped away from SL there are only 3 teams ever won SL in over 25 years.

Nobody apart from Leigh Thanks to Mr Beaumont - [Would like to think he got bored with Leigh and move up here for a change]

Don't know DB - seen him at our ground and on podcasts etc - but know nothing about him other that he is a godsend to Leigh.

But Leigh is the exception, nobody else can compete with the SL teams because of the large amount of CF they get over everyone else, and each year the gap is getting bigger.

Teams trying and failing to reach that high and without a DB are sometimes putting themselves at risk of Bankruptcy.

If the RFL and IMG make money i.e., get more from Sky or another source it will mainly go to SL teams and make the gap worse - so it is probably better to separate fully from the SL.

SL are Fulltime because of that 1.8M CF and nobody else gets that 1.8M CF - so nobody else can afford FT so nobody else can compete with SL - So I do believe as Fleetwood Mack said "they so go their own way"

Again, you do realise why Sky pay this money don't you? 

You seem to be of the impression it's free money that should be distributed equally amongst all member clubs. 

May I suggest you go watch the amateur leagues if the distribution of money to pay players upsets you? Professional sport clearly isn't for you.

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3 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Again, you do realise why Sky pay this money don't you? 

You seem to be of the impression it's free money that should be distributed equally amongst all member clubs. 

May I suggest you go watch the amateur leagues if the distribution of money to pay players upsets you? Professional sport clearly isn't for you.

It's just complete nonsense. Give Sky a £10 million competition and don't be surprised if they start to pay accordingly. 

This was also a good thread about IMG and the announcement. It shouldn't be derailed by fantasist nonsense like this.

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On 30/09/2022 at 12:25, MattSantos said:

Aye. They could go play RU. Good luck to em.

ooh she's fit. I'll not talk to her as she might cheat on me. I don't know anything about her yet, but no. I'll stay here and have a crank.

Has the last word been autocorrected. 

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22 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

The question I've asked on here several times 

Exactly how will this create millions of extra for RL and IMG ?

I mean you could read the summary thread I wrote about the interview with the IMG president there was a lot of stuff in that interview.

IMG President Podcast

You're asking as if the structure is literally the only thing they're planning rather than the first tangible thing they need to share with the clubs (bluntly the clubs don't need to sign off on the rest of their strategy).

The structure in of itself won't change things but they believe they won't get the best results out of what they're planning without changing the structure at the same time.

You're not going to get a job just by dressing well but it might cost you a job if you don't sort that out.

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I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks.

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1 minute ago, DI Keith Fowler said:

I mean you could read the summary thread I wrote about the interview with the IMG president there was a lot of stuff in that interview.

IMG President Podcast

You're asking as if the structure is literally the only thing they're planning rather than the first tangible thing they need to share with the clubs (bluntly the clubs don't need to sign off on the rest of their strategy).

The structure in of itself won't change things but they believe they won't get the best results out of what they're planning without changing the structure at the same time.

You're not going to get a job just by dressing well but it might cost you a job if you don't sort that out.

Fair enough 

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25 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said:

I mean you could read the summary thread I wrote about the interview with the IMG president there was a lot of stuff in that interview.

IMG President Podcast

You're asking as if the structure is literally the only thing they're planning rather than the first tangible thing they need to share with the clubs (bluntly the clubs don't need to sign off on the rest of their strategy).

The structure in of itself won't change things but they believe they won't get the best results out of what they're planning without changing the structure at the same time.

You're not going to get a job just by dressing well but it might cost you a job if you don't sort that out.

Nicely put

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28 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

I'm disappointed that one of the proposals is to do away with the magic weekend. I thought it was a great way to promote the game in non heartland areas

Yeah shame about magic weekend and summer bash. 

When summer bash was in Blackpool was a great weekend for the lower leagues.

Can now understand why so many people say to me why do you watch rugby league embarrassing how is run. 

Least NRL on this morning can show us up again. 

 

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On 30/09/2022 at 19:14, yipyee said:

Its not central funding, its a share of the TV deal for the league they play in and is televised. The championship have their own TV deal.

The RFL specifically refers to it as central funding and makes these distributions to clubs of in all 3 leagues; albeit with a massive disparity in terms of amounts.

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3 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

The RFL specifically refers to it as central funding and makes these distributions to clubs of in all 3 leagues; albeit with a massive disparity in terms of amounts.

They may do but there’s no doubt it is TV money they are distributing. 

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24 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

The RFL specifically refers to it as central funding and makes these distributions to clubs of in all 3 leagues; albeit with a massive disparity in terms of amounts.

In the lower leagues they do. The RFL haven't been in control to distribute Super League Central Revenues for a number of years - though Super League do give them considerable money.

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6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

In the lower leagues they do. The RFL haven't been in control to distribute Super League Central Revenues for a number of years - though Super League do give them considerable money.

Let’s be honest, most RL clubs are not self-sustainable and are loss making without being financially propped up. If there remains the same disparity of central distribution, nothing’s going to change; as it hasn’t throughout the last 55 years I’ve been watching the game. Unless IMG are actually serious about wanting clubs to grow; rather than their own profile / commercial revenues.

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7 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Let’s be honest, most RL clubs are not self-sustainable and are loss making without being financially propped up. If there remains the same disparity of central distribution, nothing’s going to change; as it hasn’t throughout the last 55 years I’ve been watching the game. Unless IMG are actually serious about wanting clubs to grow; rather than their own profile / commercial revenues.

Define propped up?

The 12 Super League clubs sell their tv rights to generate substantial income. Its business not charity.

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5 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Define propped up?

The 12 Super League clubs sell their tv rights to generate substantial income. Its business not charity.

Check out companies house records for each of those clubs. They, along with the game, are going broke; hence the reason for bringing in IMG. 

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16 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Check out companies house records for each of those clubs. They, along with the game, are going broke; hence the reason for bringing in IMG. 

And that means they shouldn't get TV money they earn?

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14 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

And that means they shouldn't get TV money they earn?

Indeed. I think we should also just give ticket receipts to Oldham and Keighley. Because they are the beating heart of the game. 

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