Western Australian government to support bid for an 18th NRL team

[John bird]

1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said:

I’d go with the Adelaide Brewers

Is Adelaide famous for its breweries?

[John bird]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Could call them the Rams? 

I liked that name also.

can you use the same name twice after going out of business?

[John bird]

2 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

I don’t think AFL fans think that much about RL as much as AFL bashing RL fans think they do. In my experience, AFL fans generally are not even derogatory about RL and open to the game. Especially those AFL fans outside of Melbourne.

I am not sure you are correct there. I think the biggest attendance for a sports fixture at Optus Stadium is the State of Origin fixture.

The double header last year had over 40k attending and crowds for the annual Sth Sydney matches at Perth Oval from ‘09-‘15 (no match in ‘10) were all 15k+ and increased every year up to over 20k in ‘13, ‘14 and ‘15.

If Perth can regularly draw 12k+ for basketball, I think it would be pretty damning for the NRL if a Perth club couldn’t regularly get crowds of 15k+.

I guess it all depends on how successful a potential Perth team would be but if they could average 15k+ that would be more than a pass.

isn’t Perth meant to be even more fanatical than Melbourne when it comes to Aussie rules?

[Worzel]

On 02/11/2022 at 12:44, The Rocket said:

There`s a lot of people who`d like to see the Bears back and the feel-good factor would be huge and V`landy`s knows this.

 

I swear any feel good factor is only in the minds of blokes in their 50's and 60's, not today's much-larger NRL audience

The game has moved on a long time ago. The Bears are an irrelevance and a distraction and I've no idea why a Perth franchise would entertain the idea of giving away some of their home games to be played at North Sydney Oval... the team is already going to play 9 or 10 matches in Sydney every season as it is!! In an ideal world we'd have more games in Western Australia than one team's home games can provide, not less. 

[JonM]

43 minutes ago, John bird said:

I guess it all depends on how successful a potential Perth team would be but if they could average 15k+ that would be more than a pass.

isn’t Perth meant to be even more fanatical than Melbourne when it comes to Aussie rules?

Not even close.

Fremantle averaged 36K last season, West Coast Eagles 42K. Perth population 2 million.

Melbourne population is 5 million, has 9 AFL teams, one of which (Collingwood) averaged 63K last year, two more were over 50K (Carlton, Richmond), two more were higher than WCE (Essendon, Melbourne).

[Sports Prophet]

7 hours ago, JonM said:

Not even close.

Fremantle averaged 36K last season, West Coast Eagles 42K. Perth population 2 million.

Melbourne population is 5 million, has 9 AFL teams, one of which (Collingwood) averaged 63K last year, two more were over 50K (Carlton, Richmond), two more were higher than WCE (Essendon, Melbourne).

West Coast Eagles and Fremantle are not blessed with the same intercity rivalry that the Melbourne clubs have and it does have an effect on those numbers. As does a very underperforming WCE over the past two/three seasons.

The residents of Perth and Adelaide alike are both just as passionate about their Australian Rules as the people of Melbourne.

8 hours ago, John bird said:

I guess it all depends on how successful a potential Perth team would be but if they could average 15k+ that would be more than a pass.

Yeah I would think that to be a pass as well. West Australians are renowned as being parochial and most West Australians I have come across are not disparaging about RL at all and I think they would really back a team of their own. In very good numbers if they were successful.

[Sports Prophet]

8 hours ago, John bird said:

Was that the same stadium the rams played in?

I think they mainly played out of the Adelaide Oval.

It’s where the A-League side ply their games. It’s right on the edge of the city. Great spot.

[Copa]

8 hours ago, Worzel said:

I swear any feel good factor is only in the minds of blokes in their 50's and 60's, not today's much-larger NRL audience

The game has moved on a long time ago. The Bears are an irrelevance and a distraction and I've no idea why a Perth franchise would entertain the idea of giving away some of their home games to be played at North Sydney Oval... the team is already going to play 9 or 10 matches in Sydney every season as it is!! In an ideal world we'd have more games in Western Australia than one team's home games can provide, not less. 

Parts of the Sydney media will also go on about the Bears being back, press conferences will probably be held at north Sydney oval etc .. all undermining the idea that the team is supposed to be a Perth team.

[Sports Prophet]

8 hours ago, Worzel said:

I swear any feel good factor is only in the minds of blokes in their 50's and 60's, not today's much-larger NRL audience

The game has moved on a long time ago. The Bears are an irrelevance and a distraction and I've no idea why a Perth franchise would entertain the idea of giving away some of their home games to be played at North Sydney Oval... the team is already going to play 9 or 10 matches in Sydney every season as it is!! In an ideal world we'd have more games in Western Australia than one team's home games can provide, not less. 

That would take a lot of luck/manipulation of the draw.

in 2024, how many games each team play in Sydney:

Cows: 6

Broncos: 4

Titans: 5

Knights: 5

Raiders: 6

Storm: 6

Warriors: 5

even the Dragons only get 12

 

 

 

 

 

[Anita Bath]

10 hours ago, John bird said:

Is Adelaide famous for its breweries?

Coopers….as they say in RL…simply the best.

[Anita Bath]

The biggest downside to be addressed by Perth is kick off times to satisfy the eastern cities. They would need to kick off all games no later than 6pm.

Afternoon games would be a no no early and late season because of temperature. Similar to Brisbane temps.

[Sports Prophet]

14 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

The biggest downside to be addressed by Perth is kick off times to satisfy the eastern cities. They would need to kick off all games no later than 6pm.

Afternoon games would be a no no early and late season because of temperature. Similar to Brisbane temps.

I’ve always said that Perth doesn’t fit favourably with the eastern centric broadcasters.

The main consistently missing KO slot for broadcasters is Sunday 6pm (if the ambition is to continue with stand alone fixtures). I think Perth home games could easily fulfil the following AET slots:

Friday 8pm

Saturday 4.30pm and 7pm

Sunday 4pm and 6pm

Perhaps there is room for a Saturday 9pm slot as well.

[M j M]

22 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

The biggest downside to be addressed by Perth is kick off times to satisfy the eastern cities. They would need to kick off all games no later than 6pm.

I thought one of the big attractions of Perth was that they could kick off two hours after a game in Sydney or Brisbane, having the same local kick off time but enabling broadcasters to have a back-to-back games.

[Sports Prophet]

1 hour ago, M j M said:

I thought one of the big attractions of Perth was that they could kick off two hours after a game in Sydney or Brisbane, having the same local kick off time but enabling broadcasters to have a back-to-back games.

See my point above.

It is far less useful a time zone than say NZ.

[Worzel]

6 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

That would take a lot of luck/manipulation of the draw.

in 2024, how many games each team play in Sydney:

Cows: 6

Broncos: 4

Titans: 5

Knights: 5

Raiders: 6

Storm: 6

Warriors: 5

even the Dragons only get 12

 

 

 

 

 

You’re forgetting the play offs 

OK, I’ll concede it might be 8, rather than 9

The point stands, a club in a new territory needs as many home games as possible 

[lucky 7]

18 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

I don’t think AFL fans think that much about RL as much as AFL bashing RL fans think they do. In my experience, AFL fans generally are not even derogatory about RL and open to the game. Especially those AFL fans outside of Melbourne.

I am not sure you are correct there. I think the biggest attendance for a sports fixture at Optus Stadium is the State of Origin fixture.

The double header last year had over 40k attending and crowds for the annual Sth Sydney matches at Perth Oval from ‘09-‘15 (no match in ‘10) were all 15k+ and increased every year up to over 20k in ‘13, ‘14 and ‘15.

If Perth can regularly draw 12k+ for basketball, I think it would be pretty damning for the NRL if a Perth club couldn’t regularly get crowds of 15k+.

As a AFL fan you certainly think about the NRL a lot.

You post on bigfooty and note the constant fear from fumbleball fans about the NRL and their fear of Peter V'Landys.

[The Rocket]

On 16/05/2024 at 00:58, Worzel said:

I swear any feel good factor is only in the minds of blokes in their 50's and 60's, not today's much-larger NRL audience

The game has moved on a long time ago. The Bears are an irrelevance and a distraction and I've no idea why a Perth franchise would entertain the idea of giving away some of their home games to be played at North Sydney Oval... the team is already going to play 9 or 10 matches in Sydney every season as it is!! In an ideal world we'd have more games in Western Australia than one team's home games can provide, not less. 

 

Like it or not the media is going to make a hell of a fuss if the Bears are readmitted to the NRL, it will certainly be in Nine`s and Fox`s interest too as well.So expect it all over front and back page of News Limited daily rag the Telegraph. It`s going to very hard for the general public not to be caught up in the hype especially once things like the jersey and logo come out. Perth`s original colours not being that much different from the Bears anyway.

The Bears` old supporter base will probably add a couple of thousand to Perth Bears away games in Sydney and maybe 10 000 if they make the finals. 

Personally I`d rather a standalone Western Australian bid with a unique W.A. identity and one of the two bids coming out of Perth has indicated that preference. The good news is that the W.A. Gov`t has said it will get behind whichever bid gets the nod.

 

[John bird]

21 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

I think they mainly played out of the Adelaide Oval.

It’s where the A-League side ply their games. It’s right on the edge of the city. Great spot.

So it’s a relatively new stadium?

[M j M]

19 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

See my point above.

It is far less useful a time zone than say NZ.

I've read your point but I don't see it. Being able to get back to back games on Friday night without the clubs screaming about kick off times is a dream for TV.

[Sports Prophet]

1 hour ago, M j M said:

I've read your point but I don't see it. Being able to get back to back games on Friday night without the clubs screaming about kick off times is a dream for TV.

Well don’t expect broadcasters to get excited about 10pm kick off times (Perth 8pm) and don’t expect Perth to get excited about Friday 4pm KO times (6pm Sydney). Both are a non starter, while the Friday 8pm KO is very popular with the clubs.

If you are trying to resolve the Friday night 6pm KO issue, then NZ II would be a big help.

Edited May 16, 2024 by Sports Prophet

[Sports Prophet]

3 hours ago, John bird said:

So it’s a relatively new stadium?

Dunno. Don’t think so. The Rams did play one or two there I think. Maybe it was much smaller then.

Edited May 16, 2024 by Sports Prophet

[eal]

I don't care where, as long as there are Bears!

[John bird]

3 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

Dunno. Don’t think so. The Rams did play one or two there I think. Maybe it was much smaller then.

Got the better of me so I googled it and apparently it was built in the 1960’s and was used by the rams 4 times in 98’.

[Sports Prophet]

2 hours ago, John bird said:

Got the better of me so I googled it and apparently it was built in the 1960’s and was used by the rams 4 times in 98’.

Don’t know why they didn’t play there more often instead of Adelaide Oval

[Worzel]

12 hours ago, The Rocket said:

 

Like it or not the media is going to make a hell of a fuss if the Bears are readmitted to the NRL, it will certainly be in Nine`s and Fox`s interest too as well.So expect it all over front and back page of News Limited daily rag the Telegraph. It`s going to very hard for the general public not to be caught up in the hype especially once things like the jersey and logo come out. Perth`s original colours not being that much different from the Bears anyway.

The Bears` old supporter base will probably add a couple of thousand to Perth Bears away games in Sydney and maybe 10 000 if they make the finals. 

Personally I`d rather a standalone Western Australian bid with a unique W.A. identity and one of the two bids coming out of Perth has indicated that preference. The good news is that the W.A. Gov`t has said it will get behind whichever bid gets the nod.

 

The Perth side doesn't need that sort of gimmick. Of course The Bears' involvement will create noise, the Sydney media is run by blokes in their 50's and 60's so they'd be all over it, but it doesn't mean that Perth needs that noise.

The new club should be focused on creating it's own, unique story across the next 25 years, not being some pastiche zombie re-imagining of a dead club that - let's be honest here - barely has any heritage of success to shout about anyway.  Hopefully common sense will prevail...!!