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On 10/06/2023 at 17:27, RP London said:

Jeebus that's poor... the RLPA need to get more strength..  look at the strength the NRL equivalent have or the American leagues where they do battle for the lower paid players etc.. they need power to get this sort of stuff fixed.. its not that expensive. 

The RLPA (or whichever union it is this time) seem to launch in a blaze of glory, then disappear from view soon after. Sure one of the RL media could find out what's going on.

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That's appalling, as is trying to shift the blame to the NHS. I'm amazed it is not a requirement for professional clubs to have insurance in place.

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Big reminder of how walking before running is essential, and just how big the gap is between a lot of the Championship and the Pro game. Getting the basics right ahead of brash (failed) campaigns

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They should be banned from signing players until they pay for the operation. 

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It's absolutely ridiculous that they aren't paying it out of their own pocket.

Regarding insurance, as I understand it some SL clubs don't have players insured and simply pay for private surgeries as and when they occur. When Widnes went into admin it was noted that one of the biggest liabilities was to Spire hospitals for previous surgeries on the never never. At the time it was noted this wasn't uncommon in RL and other SL teams were doing the same. 

I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks.

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21 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

The RLPA (or whichever union it is this time) seem to launch in a blaze of glory, then disappear from view soon after. Sure one of the RL media could find out what's going on.

I remember Jon Wilkin being the chairman of 1eagu3 and being vocal about the need. He seemed to quickly lose interest.

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Surely an issue like this should give the players union a leg up in negotiations - This is the first time I have heard about players not being insured other than the Irish woman player that got injured.

I feel like no fan would back the club in a discussion like this, if a player got injured while playing for the team I support then I fully expect my club to pay for the required surgery/rehab or whatever is needed. 

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28 minutes ago, Damien said:

I remember Jon Wilkin being the chairman of 1eagu3 and being vocal about the need. He seemed to quickly lose interest.

Gareth Carvell was the latest former player to head the union.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/garreth-carvell-rugby-players-union-23327999

With regard to Lewis Young,according to the club owner,the local paper states that an operation may not be necessary.

A specialist is to be seen and the ankle may require rehabilitation. 

There is also an insurance policy to be implemented. 

I believe the former Doncaster coach,Miller,made a disparaging comment about the former head coach at Keighley just after his son left to go to Newcastle Thunder.

I don't think Ellery Hanley would conduct himself in such a manner.

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1 hour ago, Click said:

It's disgraceful that a player who is in our second division is having to use go fund me in order to pay for his surgery, an injury sustained while playing RL. 

Keighley's owners should be ashamed of themselves, I understand that not all clubs have the funds to pay for everything, but not to have 10k to spend on an injury for one of your own players? Awful.

Not only that the club have announced two new signings this morning. Can afford to sign two new players but not pay for an operation for one of their star players (who they should have had insured!). Shocking stuff but indicative of the way that club is being run at the moment. 

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12 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

Not only that the club have announced two new signings this morning. Can afford to sign two new players but not pay for an operation for one of their star players (who they should have had insured!). Shocking stuff but indicative of the way that club is being run at the moment. 

That is awful business practice. You would hope agents would get explicit assurances moving forward before letting players sign for them.

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56 minutes ago, Damien said:

I remember Jon Wilkin being the chairman of 1eagu3 and being vocal about the need. He seemed to quickly lose interest.

Because he wasn't supported by the players.   Players won't get a voice if they don't stand together.

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1 hour ago, OriginalMrC said:

Not only that the club have announced two new signings this morning. Can afford to sign two new players but not pay for an operation for one of their star players (who they should have had insured!). Shocking stuff but indicative of the way that club is being run at the moment. 

They should be banned from signing players until they pay for the operation. 

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17 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

Absolutely diabolical that this even needs to happen. The club owners should hang their heads in shame 

 

So is this fundraiser raising funds for the club or the player?

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27 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

One of the players friends has launched it. 

So I see. But that's not what I asked.

Let me put it more plainly. Is this money being raised to pay a bill the club should be paying?

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7 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

Not only that the club have announced two new signings this morning. Can afford to sign two new players but not pay for an operation for one of their star players (who they should have had insured!). Shocking stuff but indicative of the way that club is being run at the moment. 

One player was announced as signed, this morning.

 

14 minutes ago, Griff said:

So I see. But that's not what I asked.

Let me put it more plainly. Is this money being raised to pay a bill the club should be paying?

As stated my earlier post,in the local press it is reported that the operation may not be required.

The Go Fund has been set up by the father of his friend.A former head coach at Doncaster.The intended beneficiary is the injured player. 

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22 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said:

 

As stated my earlier post,in the local press it is reported that the operation may not be required.

The Go Fund has been set up by the father of his friend.A former head coach at Doncaster.The intended beneficiary is the injured player. 

Ah - so money is being raised for an operation which may not be required.

What a mess.

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8 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said:

With regard to Lewis Young,according to the club owner,the local paper states that an operation may not be necessary.

So the club owners have changed their minds that it is a career ending injury without an operation paid for by the NHS?

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26 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

So the club owners have changed their minds that it is a career ending injury without an operation paid for by the NHS?

It is the NHS who claim that an operation is not required. There's a lot of conflicting information here.

Meanwhile, the terraces at Cougar Park are looking very colourful.

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55 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said:

One player was announced as signed, this morning.

 

As stated my earlier post,in the local press it is reported that the operation may not be required.

The Go Fund has been set up by the father of his friend.A former head coach at Doncaster.The intended beneficiary is the injured player. 

Whatever way you put it this is indefensible. Plenty of Cougars fans feel the same 

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12 minutes ago, Griff said:

It is the NHS who claim that an operation is not required. There's a lot of conflicting information here.

Meanwhile, the terraces at Cougar Park are looking very colourful.

Yes. Paint is much more important than players or proper insurance.

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7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Yes. Paint is much more important than players or proper insurance.

You say that but the facts have yet to be established with any certainty.

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36 minutes ago, Griff said:

It is the NHS who claim that an operation is not required. There's a lot of conflicting information here.

Meanwhile, the terraces at Cougar Park are looking very colourful.

Nah just sounds like the NHS don't consider an op critical. The player can continue to live his life and work in a normal environment, but not playing RL to Championship standard. As such he is on a, by the sounds of it, very long waiting list for an op. 

This is generally why clubs have insurance in place to mitigate for this sort of scenario.

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1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

Nah just sounds like the NHS don't consider an op critical. The player can continue to live his life and work in a normal environment, but not playing RL to Championship standard. As such he is on a, by the sounds of it, very long waiting list for an op. 

This is generally why clubs have insurance in place to mitigate for this sort of scenario.

Well, forgive me, Tommy, but what it sounds like doesn't meet my standards of evidence.

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32 minutes ago, Griff said:

Well, forgive me, Tommy, but what it sounds like doesn't meet my standards of evidence.

Apologies, I assumed you had actually read the initial report that says what I put. No bother.

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14 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Apologies, I assumed you had actually read the initial report that says what I put. No bother.

It's just another opinion.

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2 minutes ago, Griff said:

It's just another opinion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/keighley-cougars-star-player-surgery-27080250.amp

"Club co-owner Ryan O'Neill said: “Lewis has an injury to his ankle, which unfortunately the NHS do not feel is essential to be fixed. As a professional rugby league player this could end his career, and despite best efforts to get Lewis the surgery he needs through the NHS, we have been unsuccessful in achieving it. We are disappointed our national health service are reluctant to operate on injuries that are needed and essential to a person's career and livelihood."

I don't see where the "opinion" is there?

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