IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Worzel]

This more detailed write-up of Matt Dwyer says is also interesting:

https://www.totalrl.com/img-launches-staunch-defence-of-rugby-league-role-following-criticism/

I'm glad he's being straight with people here. I agree with him,we should get rid of loop fixtures (and implement other things they've advised e.g. removing or re-imagining the Magic Weekend). But, as usual, as a sport we've had to look at the "will it make me worse off for the first year or two, even if it works in the end" question, and so ended up doing the right short-term thing not the right long-term thing. I'm sure its the same thing with many clubs inability to invest enough people and money in marketing and promotions. It must be very frustrating for them, because it will be undoubtedly be slowing down the pace of change. 

 

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, JohnM said:

They are not inaccurate reports, though. They are lies, nothing more, nothing less.

I think he has chosen his words carefully and, thankfully, not even bothered dignifying the reporting that added that £450,000 to other random elements of the RFL's expenditure.

[JohnM]

Just now, gingerjon said:

I think he has chosen his words carefully and, thankfully, not even bothered dignifying the reporting that added that £450,000 to other random elements of the RFL's expenditure.

And he's right to do so, to behave like an adult. I have no such inhibitions.

[Tommygilf]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

I think he has chosen his words carefully and, thankfully, not even bothered dignifying the reporting that added that £450,000 to other random elements of the RFL's expenditure.

Embarrassing isn't it really. Tbf though when the reliability of your main source is questionable and you are promoting an agenda ahead of facts based research.

[Dave T]

Let's be blunt here. Derek Beaumont has been the mouthpiece of the claims that this is a £5m cost.

[Chrispmartha]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

Let's be blunt here. Derek Beaumont has been the mouthpiece of the claims that this is a £5m cost.

Unless I missed it the article on this website posted above seems to omit Dwyer correcting the misrepresentation of the figures paid… wonder why?

[phiggins]

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Edited November 4, 2024 by phiggins
Found answer to Q asked

[Spidey]

https://widnesvikings.co.uk/club-statement-7/
 

Bloke ultimately responsible for Widnes’ score has gone

[Tommygilf]

https://www.totalrl.com/cost-of-img-and-non-executive-directors-at-the-rfl-revealed/

Just in case anyone forgot...

[phiggins]

14 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Let's be blunt here. Derek Beaumont has been the mouthpiece of the claims that this is a £5m cost.

To be fair, multiple reporters have written that the IMG contract is a £450/year contract, which will be what the circa £5m cost will be based on. I doubt they would commit that figure to writing purely on the sayso of DB.

[Tommygilf]

And:

https://www.totalrl.com/talking-rugby-league-rfls-surprise-bill-from-img-raises-questions/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seriousaboutrl.com/sky-sports-devalues-super-league-argues-derek-beaumont-as-he-calls-for-change-98292/amp/

 

[JohnM]

7 minutes ago, phiggins said:

To be fair, multiple reporters have written that the IMG contract is a £450/year contract, which will be what the circa £5m cost will be based on. I doubt they would commit that figure to writing purely on the sayso of DB.

Why not? It's easy to believe true something that you want to be true.

Time now for those people to withdraw their accusations.  Newspapers are required to publish corrections. That should apply to posters-you know who you are - on here.

[Archie Gordon]

6 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Why not? It's easy to believe true something that you want to be true.

Time now for those people to withdraw their accusations.  Newspapers are required to publish corrections. That should apply to posters-you know who you are - on here.

That will be a lot of posters, to be fair.

There are many folks in favour of IMG who think the £450k a year figure is true - they often refer to it as "peanuts".

[The Blues Ox]

No expansion to more than 12 clubs for the immediate future. Not really a surprise and to be honest its unlikely we ever have more than 12 grade A teams anyway but it does put to bed some of the talk that it is simply automatic that the league is expanded when more than 12.

Edited November 4, 2024 by The Blues Ox

[Tommygilf]

Turns out it's even smaller peanuts.

It's yet again so frustratingly tin pot that people either in authority or fact finding positions repeat things they've read without checking.

It's also yet again pretty dire comms from the RFL/RLC that it's taken a call with Dwyer to clarify this.

[Dave T]

34 minutes ago, phiggins said:

To be fair, multiple reporters have written that the IMG contract is a £450/year contract, which will be what the circa £5m cost will be based on. I doubt they would commit that figure to writing purely on the sayso of DB.

If this number is wrong, then journos should be challenged. However they will have a source. DB is the one who has publicly stated this, meaning that effectively he is a good enough source for anyone to now claim that.

[gingerjon]

11 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

That will be a lot of posters, to be fair.

There are many folks in favour of IMG who think the £450k a year figure is true - they often refer to it as "peanuts".

It is peanuts. Turns out they really do need the project to work to make their profits and haven't done any sneaky further demands.

It also does back up my point of view (but of course it does) that a lot of the issues with the grading criteria can be put down to there not being resources (i.e. money) to do anything more complex.

[Tommygilf]

Just now, Dave T said:

If this number is wrong, then journos should be challenged. However they will have a source. DB is the one who has publicly stated this, meaning that effectively he is a good enough source for anyone to now claim that.

Damian Irvine also stated it recently, which puts it in a small circle of folk I suppose...

[Dave T]

15 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

That will be a lot of posters, to be fair.

There are many folks in favour of IMG who think the £450k a year figure is true - they often refer to it as "peanuts".

Come on Archie, that last line is disingenuous. If TotalRL publishes this, and an SL owner supports this, who are we to say that the bill isn't £450k?

[Angelic Cynic]

It seems IMG have done quite well whatever amount of finance they have accepted since they failed to increase the broadcast deal,yet a group,probably female,broke away from the governing body of their sport to negotiate an increase in their broadcast deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/30/wsl-agrees-record-65m-domestic-five-year-tv-deal-with-sky-sports-and-bbc

The white,male,owner of a rugby league in Super League, who introduced IMG to the sport,is currently looking for a new stadium with a reduction in capacity to the one currently shared with a soccer club.

Ever.Decreasing.Circles.

[phiggins]

11 minutes ago, Dave T said:

If this number is wrong, then journos should be challenged. However they will have a source. DB is the one who has publicly stated this, meaning that effectively he is a good enough source for anyone to now claim that.

He has publicly stated it after it had been reported. But if journos are writing articles purely based on the word of one club owner, then they really need to consider the strength of their sources in future.

Would be interested in @Martyn Sadler's take, given an article on here categorically states that there is a 450k/year consultancy fee. That could of course still be the case, with another invoice imminent.

[Dave T]

3 minutes ago, phiggins said:

He has publicly stated it after it had been reported. But if journos are writing articles purely based on the word of one club owner, then they really need to consider the strength of their sources in future.

Would be interested in @Martyn Sadler's take, given an article on here categorically states that there is a 450k/year consultancy fee. That could of course still be the case, with another invoice imminent.

yup, agreed.

Although I think one source is fine for a report. Whether it is enough to then quote it in various reports on an ongoing basis is another question!

[Archie Gordon]

18 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Come on Archie, that last line is disingenuous. If TotalRL publishes this, and an SL owner supports this, who are we to say that the bill isn't £450k?

Yes - the only point I was making was that we almost all believed it was £450k a year. There was a suggestion that to believe that this was a yearly fee required some sort of mea culpa.

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, Archie Gordon said:

Yes - the only point I was making was that we almost all believed it was £450k a year. There was a suggestion that to believe that this was a yearly fee required some sort of mea culpa.

Yeah, that's fair enough - agreed, fans can only know what they have been told, and there is little reason to doubt the website that we post on, or a prominent SL owner. 

No fans have made this up.

[Archie Gordon]

'Tweaks' to grading criteria incoming:

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/img-gradings-criteria-set-for-2025-changes-as-tweaks-to-system-revealed

May or may not turn out to be interesting.