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Poll: St. Helens v Catalans Dragons (10 member(s) have cast votes)

Who will win?

  1. St Helens (6 votes [60.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

  2. Catalans (4 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

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#1 ckn

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 03:02 PM

Discuss the game here!

Arguing with the forum trolls is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good you are, the bird will **** on the board and strut around like it won anyway


#2 bewareshadows

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 06:02 PM

Ok anyone dare to name the full Saints 17 for this week, with Eastmond and Cunningham both out for at least a month and Dixon gone too, not to mention pryce being touch and go and hargreaves in for an injury. We are getting down to no squad left.

Ok just checked the Saints web site and it's not too bad we are rushing back some of those missing against Leeds to fill the gaps.

Tony Puletua, Gary Wheeler and Francis Meli back this week and perhaps Jon Wilkin too.

Just 7 injured, if he does not get the 4 back above he would have a choice of 19 from 22.

No doubt we'll keep going, but I've never known a season like it at Saints, it's been young and old and middle aged. Of the squad this season I think they've nearly all had weeks off with an injury. There may well have been more, but these are the one's I can recall. That gives us 4 in the first 17 without injury athough I can't be certain about Moore or Clough as to whether they have been injured.

1. Paul Wellens - injured
2. Ade Gardner - injured
3. Matt Gidley - injured
4. Sia Soliola - injured
5. Francis Meli - injured
6. Leon Pryce - injured
7. Kyle Eastmond - injured
8. Nick Fozzard - injured
9. Keiron Cunningham - injured
10. James Graham
11. Tony Puletua - injured
12. Jon Wilkin - injured
13. Chris Flannery - injured
14. James Roby
15. Bryn Hargreaves - injured
16. Scott Moore
17. Paul Clough
18. Matty Ashurst - injured
19. Chris Dean - injured
20. Gareth Frodsham - injured
21. Gary Wheeler - injured
22. Andrew Dixon - injured
23. Maurie Fa'asavalu - injured
24. Jonny Lomax - injured
25. Jacob Emmitt
26. Tom Armstrong - injured
27. Jamie Ellis
28. Shaun Magennis
29. Andrew Yates
30. Jamie Foster - injured
31. Jack Bradbury
32. Lee Gaskell
33. Paul Johnson
Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE (bewareshadows @ Jul 6 2010, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok anyone dare to name the full Saints 17 for this week, with Eastmond and Cunningham both out for at least a month and Dixon gone too, not to mention pryce being touch and go and hargreaves in for an injury. We are getting down to no squad left.

Ok just checked the Saints web site and it's not too bad we are rushing back some of those missing against Leeds to fill the gaps.

Tony Puletua, Gary Wheeler and Francis Meli back this week and perhaps Jon Wilkin too.

Just 7 injured, if he does not get the 4 back above he would have a choice of 19 from 22.

No doubt we'll keep going, but I've never known a season like it at Saints, it's been young and old and middle aged. Of the squad this season I think they've nearly all had weeks off with an injury. There may well have been more, but these are the one's I can recall. That gives us 4 in the first 17 without injury athough I can't be certain about Moore or Clough as to whether they have been injured.

1. Paul Wellens - injured
2. Ade Gardner - injured
3. Matt Gidley - injured
4. Sia Soliola - injured
5. Francis Meli - injured
6. Leon Pryce - injured
7. Kyle Eastmond - injured
8. Nick Fozzard - injured
9. Keiron Cunningham - injured
10. James Graham
11. Tony Puletua - injured
12. Jon Wilkin - injured
13. Chris Flannery - injured
14. James Roby
15. Bryn Hargreaves - injured
16. Scott Moore
17. Paul Clough
18. Matty Ashurst - injured
19. Chris Dean - injured
20. Gareth Frodsham - injured
21. Gary Wheeler - injured
22. Andrew Dixon - injured
23. Maurie Fa'asavalu - injured
24. Jonny Lomax - injured
25. Jacob Emmitt
26. Tom Armstrong - injured
27. Jamie Ellis
28. Shaun Magennis
29. Andrew Yates
30. Jamie Foster - injured
31. Jack Bradbury
32. Lee Gaskell
33. Paul Johnson

Sack your conditioner?

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#4 Father Ted

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 01:23 PM

Catalans are that poor it doesn't matter who Saints field against them they'll still win by a substantial margin.


#5 bewareshadows

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (giwildgo @ Jul 6 2010, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sack your conditioner?

[Unsuccesfully looks for the violin smiley]



It's ok not after tea and sympathy. Just pointing out how many have had injuries this year, never known a year like it for Saints. To be fair we've been pretty lucky with injuries in previous years, they all seam to have come together this year.

Also I did point out that it doesn't look so bad when you read who they are bringing back in this week.

Lee Gaskell in the 19, that's a new name on me. Any under 20's watchers have any opinions on whether he'll go ok if he plays?

And will they play him at stand off with no recognised halfbacks left.

Edited by bewareshadows, 07 July 2010 - 01:46 PM.

Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#6 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 03:48 PM

I think Wigan have only 4 ever presents, but have not checked. We have had plenty of injuries, but have not gone into a prolonged bad patch for a few reasons - we have a lot of cover, we have no superstars and so are not that reliant on any individual, and are injuries have generally been spread across the season and different positions. If you get 10 out at once any team suffers, whereas Wigan have generally had 6 out pretty much all year. If we had 3 out but they were Sam, Tommy and Lockers we would be in trouble.
It would be worth looking into the types of injuries people suffer before concluding it is conditioning or bad luck. Eastmond was brought back too early perhaps, and so that bad luck may well have been poor judgement. Amos was similarly brought back too early for the 1/4 final.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 05:13 PM

QUOTE (Exiled Wiganer @ Jul 7 2010, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Wigan have only 4 ever presents, but have not checked. We have had plenty of injuries, but have not gone into a prolonged bad patch for a few reasons - we have a lot of cover, we have no superstars and so are not that reliant on any individual, and are injuries have generally been spread across the season and different positions. If you get 10 out at once any team suffers, whereas Wigan have generally had 6 out pretty much all year. If we had 3 out but they were Sam, Tommy and Lockers we would be in trouble.
It would be worth looking into the types of injuries people suffer before concluding it is conditioning or bad luck. Eastmond was brought back too early perhaps, and so that bad luck may well have been poor judgement. Amos was similarly brought back too early for the 1/4 final.


I agree I thought Eastmond was brought back to earlybut then looking at the replay on TV it was a bit of a freak tackle so maybe just bad luck.

Our injuries have basically been a few long term injuries, ie Wilkin, Fasavalu and Soliola, with a sprinkling of both young and old each week. Meli is a bit of a concern as he's been a week back then a week away. I just hope no one was rushed back too soon this week because of a lack of troops. If we play well with a whole team of kids and lose the fans will understand, if we rush players back who then get injured for another month then we could end up running short at the business end of the season.

Bet you Eastmonds back for the semi-final, whether he plays against Warrington the week before or not.
Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#8 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 06:27 PM

I think you and Wire should rest players prior to the semi. As many as possible, starting the week after next.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE (bewareshadows @ Jul 7 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lee Gaskell in the 19, that's a new name on me. Any under 20's watchers have any opinions on whether he'll go ok if he plays?

Your standout young player in recent years, he'll be fine.

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#10 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 08:35 PM

Saints to throw the game again, just like they did last year.

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 06:17 AM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jul 7 2010, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Saints to throw the game again, just like they did last year.


Bit early to be throwing games for a semi, besides we don't have the luxury to rest players this year.

19 mansquads for this week.

SAINTS
1. Paul Wellens, 2. Ade Gardner, 3. Matt Gidley, 5. Francis Meli, 8. Nick Fozzard, 10. James Graham, 11. Tony Puletua, 12. Jon Wilkin, 13. Chris Flannery, 14. James Roby, 15. Bryn Hargreaves, 16. Scott Moore, 17. Paul Clough, 18. Matty Ashurst, 19. Chris Dean, 24. Jonny Lomax, 25. Jake Emmitt, 28. Shaun Magennis, 32. Lee Gaskell.

CATALAN
1. Clint Greenshields, 2. Steve Bell, 3. Sebastien Raguin, 7. Thomas Bosc, 9. Casey McGuire, 10. Jerome Guisset, 11. Olivier Elima, 13. Dallas Johnson, 16. William Barthau, 17. Cyril Gossard, 18. Dane Carlaw, 22. Jamel Fakir, 24. Remi Casty, 25. Tony Gigot, 26. Cyril Stacul, 27. Michael Simon, 28. Frederic Vaccari, 29. Andrew Bentley, 30 Brent Sherwin.

Referee for the game, which kicks off at 8pm, is Ian Smith
Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 06:47 AM

QUOTE (bewareshadows @ Jul 7 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lee Gaskell in the 19, that's a new name on me. Any under 20's watchers have any opinions on whether he'll go ok if he plays?

He's been outstanding in U20's this year and can play 6 or 7 (though 6 is his favoured position). He absolutely took Leeds apart in the U20's game last week scoring & creating try's for fun. My only concern with him is that he's quite slightly built and may find the physical aspect of a match against the Catalans tough going, but if he can get some time & space I think he will go well.

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 09:46 AM

QUOTE (giwildgo @ Jul 6 2010, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sack your conditioner?

[Unsuccesfully looks for the violin smiley]


Some of the injuries have been freaks, others such as Wilkin you have to question why his long term injury (as in he's been carrying it a long time) wasn't dealt with in the off season.

I think it's a fair point to wonder about the standard of conditioning at Saints this season.

It was interesting to note the differences in the 2 teams at the end of the Good Friday derby. Obviously Wigan were bouyed by the win, Saints were gutted with the loss, and the mental state at the end of the game needs to be taken into consideration, but Wigan looked a darn sight fresher than Saints at the end of that match. They were obviously put thru a testing pre-season fitness regime by the coach and I think the results are there for all to see.

I see Cunningham is taking on some kind of conditioning/ skills coach role from next season so it will be interesting to see what changes.



#14 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 11:13 AM

I expect players will bulk up dramatically then. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:15 PM

QUOTE (Exiled Wiganer @ Jul 8 2010, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I expect players will bulk up dramatically then. rolleyes.gif


With KC, aka the DeerHunter, as conditioning coach, I reckon it'll be venison bangers for breakfast, venison burgers for lunch and venison steaks for dinner. Plenty of high quality lean protein.

Edited by foozler, 08 July 2010 - 02:50 PM.


#16 NEIL FOX IS GOD

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 09:34 AM

Sts all too easy
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 08:47 PM

Well done Catalans....
Salford, Catalans, they can do it, WHY CAN'T WIRES.....?
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 08:50 PM

Always thought it was a massive mistake underestimating the Dragons, they have a good squad that been decimated by injury and they have been due a shock result for some time.

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 08:56 PM

Did young Chris Dean play tonight ?.

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 10:56 AM

QUOTE (Father Ted @ Jul 7 2010, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Catalans are that poor it doesn't matter who Saints field against them they'll still win by a substantial margin.



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