Hemel Stags

[Yorkie44]

29 minutes ago, The Parksider said:

You have my answer that the SL clubs run staffed foundations that are backed by a lot of SKY money allocated from the contract, that encourages local RL directly and from that pool of players Leeds run scholarships and academies.

York don't do that. That is not to disparage York keighley or Dewsbury.

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[DEANO]

4 hours ago, terrywebbisgod said:

Leeds no longer have a DR with Hunslet.Just pointing that out for you.

No but Bradford who couldn't raise a team a few weeks ago are now dr with hunslet. And Bradford are dr with Leeds. What a joke

[paulwalker71]

4 minutes ago, DEANO said:

And Bradford are dr with Leeds. 

We're not dual-reg with Leeds

 

[terrywebbisgod]

21 minutes ago, DEANO said:

No but Bradford who couldn't raise a team a few weeks ago are now dr with hunslet. And Bradford are dr with Leeds. What a joke

Leeds have players ON LOAN at Bradford. That's not DR. What a joke. 

[DEANO]

24 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:

We're not dual-reg with Leeds

 

Sorry thought you had some Leeds players

[DEANO]

Still a joke though

[paulwalker71]

42 minutes ago, DEANO said:

Sorry thought you had some Leeds players

We have two on loan at the moment, but there's no dual-reg arrangement. Two different things...

And the DR with Hunslet hasn't amounted to anything yet - because we haven't got anyone to send to them!

 

[headtackle]

On ‎29‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 0:24 PM, yipyee said:

Are Hemel not competitive or is the league too big?

Is it fair semi pro clubs are playing pro clubs in Toulouse and Toronto?

Should League1 be split in 2?

I think it is unfair to expect expansion clubs to compete against established northern teams and can see the temptation to fill a team full of northern ex pats

It is also pretty senseless let alone costly for teams like Workington to have to go to Hemel and Skolars or vice versa and play in front of tiny crowds.

The lower divisions should be regionalised - a conference style system like the NFL or just North and South. Northern teams could then play each other as could Southern development teams with only the better ones qualifying for cross region play offs. Reduced travel costs, more local derbies and an easier entry point for Southern teams.  

[yipyee]

3 hours ago, headtackle said:

I think it is unfair to expect expansion clubs to compete against established northern teams and can see the temptation to fill a team full of northern ex pats

It is also pretty senseless let alone costly for teams like Workington to have to go to Hemel and Skolars or vice versa and play in front of tiny crowds.

The lower divisions should be regionalised - a conference style system like the NFL or just North and South. Northern teams could then play each other as could Southern development teams with only the better ones qualifying for cross region play offs. Reduced travel costs, more local derbies and an easier entry point for Southern teams.  

If you split the league in half you would acheive this in the main and it would appear 'fair' to the naysayers!

An actual north and south league would get messy come relegation/promotion each year...

[Moscow01]

4 hours ago, headtackle said:

I think it is unfair to expect expansion clubs to compete against established northern teams and can see the temptation to fill a team full of northern ex pats

It is also pretty senseless let alone costly for teams like Workington to have to go to Hemel and Skolars or vice versa and play in front of tiny crowds.

The lower divisions should be regionalised - a conference style system like the NFL or just North and South. Northern teams could then play each other as could Southern development teams with only the better ones qualifying for cross region play offs. Reduced travel costs, more local derbies and an easier entry point for Southern teams.  

A reminder that one of the southern expansion teams - the All Golds - have beaten Keighley and Workington in the last month.

I'm sure the All Golds head coach would rather be testing his team against the likes of Keighley and Workington as opposed to Hemel and South Wales week in week out.

[yipyee]

6 minutes ago, Moscow01 said:

A reminder that one of the southern expansion teams - the All Golds - have beaten Keighley and Workington in the last month.

I'm sure the All Golds head coach would rather be testing his team against the likes of Keighley and Workington as opposed to Hemel and South Wales week in week out.

They would be playing northen teams though as they progress upwards! 

You do needto regionalise as you go dowb the pyramid...its just at what level...

For what its worth this is how union is structured...and how football looked to go when itv digital collapsed....

[The Parksider]

12 hours ago, headtackle said:

I think it is unfair to expect expansion clubs to compete against established northern teams and can see the temptation to fill a team full of northern ex pats

It is also pretty senseless let alone costly for teams like Workington to have to go to Hemel and Skolars or vice versa and play in front of tiny crowds.

The lower divisions should be regionalised - a conference style system like the NFL or just North and South. Northern teams could then play each other as could Southern development teams with only the better ones qualifying for cross region play offs. Reduced travel costs, more local derbies and an easier entry point for Southern teams.  

They argue themselves they won't improve playing each other, theyr mostly not improving now.

[The Parksider]

7 hours ago, Moscow01 said:

A reminder that one of the southern expansion teams - the All Golds - have beaten Keighley and Workington in the last month.

I'm sure the All Golds head coach would rather be testing his team against the likes of Keighley and Workington as opposed to Hemel and South Wales week in week out.

Maybe he would, maybe if there is a RFL cull All golds will survive it.

[iffleyox]

14 hours ago, yipyee said:

They would be playing northen teams though as they progress upwards! 

You do needto regionalise as you go dowb the pyramid...its just at what level...

For what its worth this is how union is structured...and how football looked to go when itv digital collapsed....

It's how union is structured from tier 4 down  - 12 x Aviva Premiership, 12 x Greene King Championship, 16 x National 1, 16 x National 2 N&S (32 total), 16 x National 3 North/Midlands/South West/London & South East (56 total), etc and so on down.

Edited to add - Premiership clubs are obviously rich enough to look after themselves, the 12 Championship clubs get £500,000 or so a season each of central funding which more than covers travel, etc. The National 1 clubs are the ones between a rock and a hard place - they get a "contribution" towards travel and that's it as far as funding support goes. The longest travel distance there is when Plymouth Albion play Blaydon (and vice versa). 

National 2 North and South get nothing at all but the distances sort of work. National 3 throws up all sorts of crazy anomalies - Bromsgrove are just outside Birmingham and are in Nat 3 SW which means they get to travel, with no funding, to play at Launceston and Camborne. Poor old Launceston and Camborne spend most of their season somewhere well outside Cornwall. No funding at this level either.

[EssexRL]

7 hours ago, The Parksider said:

They argue themselves they won't improve playing each other, theyr mostly not improving now.

Skolars have improved a lot over the last few seasons and that is, in part, due to playing heartland teams; however there are certainly issues with L1 - travel being one of them and the uneven nature of the competition which doesn't make  for a decent spectacle always. Its worth noting that three of the four L1 Cup semi-finalists are expansion clubs.

Maybe what we need is a smaller L1 and northern and southern feeder leagues into it like non league football has (eg, Rymans South).

[The Parksider]

1 hour ago, EssexRL said:

Skolars have improved a lot over the last few seasons and that is, in part, due to playing heartland teams; however there are certainly issues with L1 - travel being one of them and the uneven nature of the competition which doesn't make  for a decent spectacle always. Its worth noting that three of the four L1 Cup semi-finalists are expansion clubs.

Maybe what we need is a smaller L1 and northern and southern feeder leagues into it like non league football has (eg, Rymans South).

 

I don't think there is an issue with Skolars, they serve a great purpose along with Broncos......

I just think that the burden of being a (even semi) professional side is a tough thing that eats money and makes struggling clubs stop concentrating on developing the game itself.to their own detriment and to the games detriment.

It would be nice if we recognised this and supported RL outside the heartlands and London for what it is, a brilliant alternative to RU rather than trying to force, cajole and encourage such clubs into a professionalism even places like Sheffield, Doncaster Whitehaven & Newcastle find hard to crack.

If we have any layer of RL below a reduced third tier let it be amateur.

Lets especially not call for these clubs to turn pro so they can climb the league ladders, because they don't and never have had and never will without £Millions falling at their feet..

[yipyee]

5 hours ago, The Parksider said:

I don't think there is an issue with Skolars, they serve a great purpose along with Broncos......

I just think that the burden of being a (even semi) professional side is a tough thing that eats money and makes struggling clubs stop concentrating on developing the game itself.to their own detriment and to the games detriment.

It would be nice if we recognised this and supported RL outside the heartlands and London for what it is, a brilliant alternative to RU rather than trying to force, cajole and encourage such clubs into a professionalism even places like Sheffield, Doncaster Whitehaven & Newcastle find hard to crack.

If we have any layer of RL below a reduced third tier let it be amateur.

Lets especially not call for these clubs to turn pro so they can climb the league ladders, because they don't and never have had and never will without £Millions falling at their feet..

You cant have an amateur club in a union area and not pay a match fee if you want to rival / better NCL level...

Hemel got away with it as they were a feeder for the broncos... so the pathway was there....

Why would anyone play rugby for free/a couple of hundred a year if they could earn a few thousand  playing tother code??? And lets remember the prejudices / entrenchment wont be the same as either codes heartlands....

[The Parksider]

9 hours ago, yipyee said:

You cant have an amateur club in a union area and not pay a match fee if you want to rival / better NCL level...

Hemel got away with it as they were a feeder for the broncos... so the pathway was there....

Why would anyone play rugby for free/a couple of hundred a year if they could earn a few thousand  playing tother code??? And lets remember the prejudices / entrenchment wont be the same as either codes heartlands....

 

But again your trying to push Hemels ambitions into paying players so they have a side who can play at a higher level.

They have already had their ambitions granted by the RFL and have been in the RFL for some years now and in the end it's a disaster. They play out of Dewsbury with northern lads

If at the end of the day Hemel can use local players to play the game they love and take on Oxford cavaliers, or Skolars seconds or whoever then RL continues at Hemel with players playing for the love of the game.

If Hemel return to the amateur ranks and nobody wants to play for the love of the game then that is that. Why bribe people to play?

I assume any Hemel based player good enough could still sign at Skolars and if really good  still go pro at Broncos?

[Lowdesert]

On 03/04/2017 at 0:48 PM, The Parksider said:

You have my answer that the SL clubs run staffed foundations that are backed by a lot of SKY money allocated from the contract, that encourages local RL directly and from that pool of players Leeds run scholarships and academies.

York don't do that. That is not to disparage York keighley or Dewsbury.

So the person I speak to in the gym, when I return to the UK, going into schools and colleges delivering sessions in York and the district is a myth.

 

[Yorkie44]

4 hours ago, Lowdesert said:

So the person I speak to in the gym, when I return to the UK, going into schools and colleges delivering sessions in York and the district is a myth.

 

Don't even start it mate, it really isn't worth the hassle. 

[The Parksider]

5 hours ago, Lowdesert said:

So the person I speak to in the gym, when I return to the UK, going into schools and colleges delivering sessions in York and the district is a myth.

Set out the structure of junior and youth development for the traditional northern championship Clubs for me then please. 

I've set out the Superleague structure, i.e. Foundations to develop the junior game, Scholarships to provide to aspirants, Academies to train them to play professionally.

Many clubs have initiatives here and there that come and go, we know that, we know some Championship clubs have gone as far as starting academies but exceptions don't prove the rule.

It still stands that Superleague clubs link in to support amateur clubs and develop the best players into professionals for the game. Those that make it play SL many who don't quite make it drop to Championship.

[The Parksider]

1 hour ago, Yorkie44 said:

Don't even start it mate, it really isn't worth the hassle. 

OK so here below is the staffing (alongside the first team staff) for the Wigan Foundation and player development set up.

Now perhaps you or Low D. set out the York foundation and player development set up??

RUGBY DEPARTMENT

Head Coach - Shaun Wane

Assistant Coach - John Winder

Rugby General Manager - Kris Radlinski

Player Welfare Manager - Steve McCormack

Head of Youth Performance & Reserves Coach - Matty Peet

Scholarship Manager - Steve McCormack

Under 19s Head Coach - Darrell Goulding

Under 19s Assistant Coaches - Martin McLoughlin, Sean O’Loughlin

Under 19s Manager - Barry Taylor

Under 16s Lead Coach – Shane Eccles

Under 16s Assistant Coaches – Sean McHugh and Anthony Atherton

Leadership and Team Building Coach - Archie Taylor

Chief Scout - Jack Roden

Scouts - John Jackson, Tom Bickerton, Michael Roach, Steven Dudley, John Moore

PERFORMANCE DEPARTMENT

Director of Performance - Mark Bitcon

Lead Strength & Conditioning Coach - Paul Johnson

Intern Strength & Conditioning Coach - John Wilkinson

Intern Strength & Conditioning Coach - Amy Bradshaw

Academy Strength & Conditioning Coach - Ian Bentley

Academy Strength & Conditioning Assistant - Tom Fitzpatrick

Head of Sports Science & Analysis - Mark Quinn

Intern Analyst - Wes Smallshaw

Nutritionist - Ed Tooley

MEDICAL DEPARTMENT

Director of Medical - Prof Chris Brookes

Club Doctor - Dr David Humphreys

Head Physiotherapist - Joanne Seddon

Physiotherapist - Steven Blakeley

Consultant Physiotherapist - Maria Stansfield

First Team Masseur - Emma Schultz

Academy Physiotherapist - Dan Wright

SUPPORT STAFF

Kit Manager - George Unsworth

Assistant Kit Manager - Roy Dickinson

Assistant Kit Manager - Ged Cunliffe

Under 19s Kitman - Richard Catterall

Under 19s Kitman - Graham Bentley

Under 16s Kitman - Wilf Pugh

Under 16s Kit Man/Game Day Manager – Doug Owen

Statistician - Malc Clarke

Academy Statistician - Ian Bishop

WIGAN WARRIORS COMMUNITY FOUNDATION

Wigan Warriors Community Foundation. Registered in England No. 6842878. Charity No. 1129008.

Trustees - Philip Jones (Chairman), Simon Collinson, Geoff Warburton, John Oates, Paul Prescott

Head of Community Development - Martin McLoughlin

Projects and Fundraising Manager - Mike Wearden

Coach Education & Development Manager - Steve McCormack

Community Development Officers - Tommy Gallagher, Tom Fitzpatrick, Joel Smith, Tom Schmechel

Apprentice Sports Coaches - Ryan Schofield, Reece Hampson

EDUCATION

Head of Education - Kevin Perry

Vicky Kay - Sports Tutor

Shane Eccles - Sports Tutor

Mark Chislett - Sports Tutor

Keith Schmiechel - Sports Tutor

Sam Dowd - Functional Skills Specialist

Jeff Balmer - Quality Assurance

Gemma Cross - Administration Assistant

TRAINING GROUND STAFF

Head Chef - Martin Cameron

Assistant Chef - Paula Sumner

Groundsman - Dave Monk

Laundry - Roy Dickinson

Over to you.....

[Lowdesert]

2 hours ago, The Parksider said:

Set out the structure of junior and youth development for the traditional northern championship Clubs for me then please. 

I've set out the Superleague structure, i.e. Foundations to develop the junior game, Scholarships to provide to aspirants, Academies to train them to play professionally.

Many clubs have initiatives here and there that come and go, we know that, we know some Championship clubs have gone as far as starting academies but exceptions don't prove the rule.

It still stands that Superleague clubs link in to support amateur clubs and develop the best players into professionals for the game. Those that make it play SL many who don't quite make it drop to Championship.

So the comment that York do nothing is rubbish.  Ok, at least we've got that sorted 

[Yorkie44]

1 hour ago, The Parksider said:

OK so here below is the staffing (alongside the first team staff) for the Wigan Foundation and player development set up.

Now perhaps you or Low D. set out the York foundation and player development set up?

 

I'd ask your advice about putting you on ignore but you'd talk a load of b*llocks about that too.

Information here below about York's Foundation. 

CITY KNIGHTS FOUNDATION

Welcome to the York City Knights Foundation, we are a registered charity (1112571) which works across York and North Yorkshire. All the work of the Foundation undertakes in our communities come under one of the following headings:

Health / Community / Education / Rugby League

The Foundation is run by Neil Gulliver and Adam Prentis

Neil Gulliver, Foundation manager – I am from York and have worked in sport for over 15 years. My role is to lead the Foundation and its staff and to make sure we grow our partnerships and support the communities across our area.

Adam Prentis, Delivery Manager – Originally from Leeds I studied at York St John University and have been involved with the Knights for over a decade. My role is to ensure the projects we are delivering are of a high quality and are providing the best environment for people to benefit from our projects.

The Foundation has a vision of ‘Inspiring Communities and Changing Lives across York and North Yorkshire.’

The work you see on our pages in constantly evolving with many new projects in development so please do keep checking back to see how we are growing.

 

 

[yipyee]

13 hours ago, The Parksider said:

But again your trying to push Hemels ambitions into paying players so they have a side who can play at a higher level.

They have already had their ambitions granted by the RFL and have been in the RFL for some years now and in the end it's a disaster. They play out of Dewsbury with northern lads

If at the end of the day Hemel can use local players to play the game they love and take on Oxford cavaliers, or Skolars seconds or whoever then RL continues at Hemel with players playing for the love of the game.

If Hemel return to the amateur ranks and nobody wants to play for the love of the game then that is that. Why bribe people to play?

I assume any Hemel based player good enough could still sign at Skolars and if really good  still go pro at Broncos?

Lol so every pro club is bribing players? 

I would call it a wage....

You are right that they should aim to field local players thought!