I wonder who she'll call in an emergency?

[bobbruce]

27 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I agree. However i did a quick search and from reading a report around 10% of ambulance callouts are genuine life threatening cases although around 40% can be classified as that. 

As for this case, we have no idea whether they were on an urgent case, parked appropriately. 

I think it is always good when we see/hear about seemingly crazy behaviour to try and understand why, it may just be that she is crazy, but there has been nothing else disclosed here that I can see.

The ambulance driver won’t always know until he arrives whether this is a life threatening incident or not. So 40% maybe classified as that but the number the driver thinks could be life threatening would be much higher.  Ambulances are only usually sent out when the operators believe there’s a serious incident they may not always be right but that’s what the crew will mostly expect. It seems to me in the last 12months there’s been an increase in this sort of thing. I’m guessing that’s not because it’s happening more often just that they have decided to clamp down on it before something more serious happens. 

[Dave T]

38 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

The ambulance driver won’t always know until he arrives whether this is a life threatening incident or not. So 40% maybe classified as that but the number the driver thinks could be life threatening would be much higher.  Ambulances are only usually sent out when the operators believe there’s a serious incident they may not always be right but that’s what the crew will mostly expect. It seems to me in the last 12months there’s been an increase in this sort of thing. I’m guessing that’s not because it’s happening more often just that they have decided to clamp down on it before something more serious happens. 

I dont know much about their processes only what I read last night, and was surprised to read that there are some categories of callout that have a target of 2 hours, some of 3 hours! The standard assumption of flashing blue lights and heading into a life threatening situation doesnt appear to be the norm according to the stats, but thanks for adding more context via your post.

On the surface the woman's behaviour appears to be completely irrational and out of order (and hurling abuse is out of order in amy case), but was she meant to be picking her small child up? Was she late for a medical appointment? Was she trying to get to her ill elderly mother's home to feed her? Was she late for a potentially life-changing interview? 

There are many reasons why this woman could have acted unreasonably, some that people may relate to, some not. There are grey areas, but we know nothing about any circumstances of this case.

A small example. A few years ago I was on a work night out in Liverpool. A lady I was with had a panic attack or similar, and was treated by medical staff in an ambulance that was out in duty around the bars. Lets say she was a flamboyant lady and im sure it was interesting in that ambulance! But one of the paramedics came out of the ambulance laughing to a colleague and made an extremely disparaging remark about her, not realising that me and some of her friends were outside waiting for an update.  One of her friends took exception and without me there to calm the situation it would have been messy. I think we all know how that would have been reported had there been a 'shermozzle'!

I supposemy point is that things arent always black and white and im interested in what was this womans problem.

[gingerjon]

According to the Metro, the woman was already subject to a restraining order.

So it’s less and less that the note was the sole reason for anything.

[Derwent]

1. I don't think any rational person would object to any of the emergency services parking wherever they need to in cases of genuine emergency.

2. The woman in question may be deranged, have anger issues, be an entitled idiot or just a outright tw*t. Maybe even all of them.

3. Has she actually been charged with anything ? If not, I revert to my previous posts about it being a complete waste of police time.

[ckn]

3 minutes ago, Derwent said:

1. I don't think any rational person would object to any of the emergency services parking wherever they need to in cases of genuine emergency.

2. The woman in question may be deranged, have anger issues, be an entitled idiot or just a outright tw*t. Maybe even all of them.

3. Has she actually been charged with anything ? If not, I revert to my previous posts about it being a complete waste of police time.

On 3.  It's never a waste of time, a warning from a police officer today could stop a serious crime tomorrow.  That's for another thread though for the government who have forgotten that community policing works.

[Derwent]

Just now, ckn said:

On 3.  It's never a waste of time, a warning from a police officer today could stop a serious crime tomorrow.  That's for another thread though for the government who have forgotten that community policing works.

Yes I agree that a talking to from a copper was in order even if only as a cautionary piece of education, but arrest seems a bit unwarranted. Add up all of the police time it would take to make the arrest, transport her to the station, book her in at the custody suite, do the mandatory fingerprinting and DNA swabs (which now happen for all arrests), do an interview under caution etc. Then factor in things like the cost of a duty solicitor. Its hardly cost effective policing is it ?

[ckn]

Just now, Derwent said:

Yes I agree that a talking to from a copper was in order even if only as a cautionary piece of education, but arrest seems a bit unwarranted. Add up all of the police time it would take to make the arrest, transport her to the station, book her in at the custody suite, do the mandatory fingerprinting and DNA swabs (which now happen for all arrests), do an interview under caution etc. Then factor in things like the cost of a duty solicitor. Its hardly cost effective policing is it ?

Again, we haven't a clue about the whole picture of this person, it may have been fully warranted given her past record.  Or alternatively, it could have been a PR person telling the Chief Constable that "things must be done publicly" and that filtered down to frustrated Constables who have yet one more thing to do.

[Dave T]

49 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

According to the Metro, the woman was already subject to a restraining order.

So it’s less and less that the note was the sole reason for anything.

Well that seems to suggest that she may just be a nob then!

And to be fair, in most articles it did state that it was the verbal abuse, but the note naturally made the headlines.

[Bob8]

21 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Well that seems to suggest that she may just be a nob then!

And to be fair, in most articles it did state that it was the verbal abuse, but the note naturally made the headlines.

Indeed, the report of neighbours having trouble with her, the restraining order, that she does not actually have a car, does all suggest that she is troubled.

Despite that, I am glad to see their is skepticism of the news.

[bobbruce]

1 hour ago, Derwent said:

1. I don't think any rational person would object to any of the emergency services parking wherever they need to in cases of genuine emergency.

2. The woman in question may be deranged, have anger issues, be an entitled idiot or just a outright tw*t. Maybe even all of them.

3. Has she actually been charged with anything ? If not, I revert to my previous posts about it being a complete waste of police time.

In my paper it says she’s been fined £120 for a public order offence. Her lawyers quote is she accepts her behaviour was unacceptable. 

[Bob8]

1 hour ago, Derwent said:

1. I don't think any rational person would object to any of the emergency services parking wherever they need to in cases of genuine emergency.

2. The woman in question may be deranged, have anger issues, be an entitled idiot or just a outright tw*t. Maybe even all of them.

3. Has she actually been charged with anything ? If not, I revert to my previous posts about it being a complete waste of police time.

I would not be surprised if the publicity put more pressure than normal for the police to do something.  That said, we do not know the true story.

[Dave T]

49 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

Indeed, the report of neighbours having trouble with her, the restraining order, that she does not actually have a car, does all suggest that she is troubled.

Despite that, I am glad to see their is skepticism of the news.

The bit in bold really made me smile.

Some people just need to be angry.

[bobbruce]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

I dont know much about their processes only what I read last night, and was surprised to read that there are some categories of callout that have a target of 2 hours, some of 3 hours! The standard assumption of flashing blue lights and heading into a life threatening situation doesnt appear to be the norm according to the stats, but thanks for adding more context via your post.

On the surface the woman's behaviour appears to be completely irrational and out of order (and hurling abuse is out of order in amy case), but was she meant to be picking her small child up? Was she late for a medical appointment? Was she trying to get to her ill elderly mother's home to feed her? Was she late for a potentially life-changing interview? 

There are many reasons why this woman could have acted unreasonably, some that people may relate to, some not. There are grey areas, but we know nothing about any circumstances of this case.

A small example. A few years ago I was on a work night out in Liverpool. A lady I was with had a panic attack or similar, and was treated by medical staff in an ambulance that was out in duty around the bars. Lets say she was a flamboyant lady and im sure it was interesting in that ambulance! But one of the paramedics came out of the ambulance laughing to a colleague and made an extremely disparaging remark about her, not realising that me and some of her friends were outside waiting for an update.  One of her friends took exception and without me there to calm the situation it would have been messy. I think we all know how that would have been reported had there been a 'shermozzle'!

I supposemy point is that things arent always black and white and im interested in what was this womans problem.

I accept that not all call outs are life threatening but even with a target time of 2hrs it can still be a serious incident. I remember last year being at an amateur rugby game were the physio from both teams spent 2hrs trying to hold a lads neck still on the pitch while they waited for an ambulance. 

[Bearman]

8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

 

Some people just need to be angry.

NO I DO NOT.

[ckn]

More than 1,300,000 assaults on NHS staff in 2016 with staff "resigned" to violence and aggression.

 

[Old Frightful]

2 hours ago, Bob8 said:

she does not actually have a car

Fantastic.

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

The bit in bold really made me smile.

Some people just need to be angry.

Absolutely.

My mate used to live next to a couple who seemed to have anger issues. If a motorist had the misfortune to legally park outside their house, the bloke used to come out and throw flower all over their car before writing "###### OFF" and "DON'T F***ING PARK HERE AGAIN" in the white covering with his finger.

My pal told me this, stretching the story out and no doubt embellishing it slightly before hitting me with the punchline...

"I wouldn't mind, he can't even drive and they don't have a car."

(True story, btw.)

[Phil]

3 hours ago, Old Frightful said:

Fantastic.

Absolutely.

My mate used to live next to a couple who seemed to have anger issues. If a motorist had the misfortune to legally park outside their house, the bloke used to come out and throw flower all over their car before writing "###### OFF" and "DON'T F***ING PARK HERE AGAIN" in the white covering with his finger.

My pal told me this, stretching the story out and no doubt embellishing it slightly before hitting me with the punchline...

"I wouldn't mind, he can't even drive and they don't have a car."

(True story, btw.)

My mate Graham lives next door to a similar couple, I called around in my van a few weeks ago to drop him off a chop saw.

”you’re parked in our place” shouts the woman

”I’m going to be 2 minutes” I respond giving her a smile 

then her husband comes out, mighty aggressive 

“that’s our ###### space, you better #### off now if you know what’s good for you”

Luckily Graham and his two sons appear at that point and the aggressive couple beat a hasty retreat. Turns out they don’t have a car!! 

[ckn]

24 minutes ago, Phil said:

My mate Graham lives next door to a similar couple, I called around in my van a few weeks ago to drop him off a chop saw.

”you’re parked in our place” shouts the woman

”I’m going to be 2 minutes” I respond giving her a smile 

then her husband comes out, mighty aggressive 

“that’s our ###### space, you better #### off now if you know what’s good for you”

Luckily Graham and his two sons appear at that point and the aggressive couple beat a hasty retreat. Turns out they don’t have a car!! 

The neighbour and I share a driveway entrance, we have an agreement that if we’re going to block it then we’ll ask first. If the other one isn't in then we can block it without permission. It’s just civilised and means we’ll never get bent out of shape over something as silly as parking cars.

For example, last month was his granddaughter’s birthday and they were going to have lots of people around. I got plenty of notice and had my car out on the main street in advance as we were off out that day anyway.