Lowdesert Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Didn’t see it clearly enough. Was it a flying head butt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: Didn’t see it clearly enough. Was it a flying head butt? Looked like it, should have been sent off for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 It was so late the TV cameras struggled to show it clearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 50 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: Didn’t see it clearly enough. Was it a flying head butt? Flying pig ... flying headbutt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Setter Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Lineham is such a strange one. He’s a fantastic all-round winger, but every now and then he does something unfathomable. He’s an intelligent guy by all accounts so I can only imagine the reasoning behind all this is that his boyhood hero was Kelvin Skerrett or something. Or maybe he shouldn’t be sat next to naughty Westwood at lunch time in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, LeeF said: It was so late the TV cameras struggled to show it clearly Panel must have viewed some footage to give 3 games considering he got a yellow card. If they just used the existing footage, then clear evidence didn’t really exist imo. The tenth of a second I saw it looked like he launched into the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBone Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: Panel must have viewed some footage to give 3 games considering he got a yellow card. If they just used the existing footage, then clear evidence didn’t really exist imo. The tenth of a second I saw it looked like he launched into the head. All clubs are required to provide the RFL with a visual recording of all home games for use by the disciplinary panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Lowdesert said: Panel must have viewed some footage to give 3 games considering he got a yellow card. If they just used the existing footage, then clear evidence didn’t really exist imo. The tenth of a second I saw it looked like he launched into the head. I think had we had more time to see the incidents we could have discussed it better, but the 2 or 3 angles Sky showed were pretty fleeting and it looked like shoulder to me. I expect the RFL will have had every angle though so should be able to get a better view. I thought it was very late, but it was unclear where the point of contact was - they obviously have footage to confirm it was high. Cant have any issues with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 By the way, in terms of process, what does this mean. Does he get a 3 match ban without a disciplinary? How does that work, it seems a strong punishment without a chance to have it reviewed with the full process and chance to mount a defence. Or can Lineham/Wire not accept the charge and ask for a hearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullman Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Dave T said: By the way, in terms of process, what does this mean. Does he get a 3 match ban without a disciplinary? How does that work, it seems a strong punishment without a chance to have it reviewed with the full process and chance to mount a defence. Or can Lineham/Wire not accept the charge and ask for a hearing? I believe that is the case. "Coming from East Hull people automatically think you should go and play for Hull KR. Personally I couldn't think of anything worse" - Kirk Yeaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave T said: By the way, in terms of process, what does this mean. Does he get a 3 match ban without a disciplinary? How does that work, it seems a strong punishment without a chance to have it reviewed with the full process and chance to mount a defence. Or can Lineham/Wire not accept the charge and ask for a hearing? As Tbone says, the club has video. It must show enough for them to give a 3 match ban. Imo the punishments fair enough, although if he appeals the disciplinary might stretch it until the end of July. Worth a gamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: As Tbone says, the club has video. It must show enough for them to give a 3 match ban. Imo the punishments fair enough, although if he appeals the disciplinary might stretch it until the end of July. Worth a gamble Yeah it was more about the process, I always thought the more serious offences had to have a hearing, imho Grade C and 3 matches is pretty serious nowadays in SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Dave T said: Yeah it was more about the process, I always thought the more serious offences had to have a hearing, imho Grade C and 3 matches is pretty serious nowadays in SL. I think that is was Hudgell was alluding to. Not sure but has he appealed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Setter Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Is the length of the ban not also taking into account he has a history of this sort of thing? He copped a ban in 2017 for use of the forearm and then 2 matches I think for the late swing on Regan Grace a couple of months back. I would have hoped he’d been told to sort himself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Cheshire Setter said: Is the length of the ban not also taking into account he has a history of this sort of thing? He copped a ban in 2017 for use of the forearm and then 2 matches I think for the late swing on Regan Grace a couple of months back. I would have hoped he’d been told to sort himself out. Almost certainly the case, lineham has history of late hits to the head and as you’ve said the most recent was earlier this year. The more he does it the longer his bans will get. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Cheshire Setter said: Is the length of the ban not also taking into account he has a history of this sort of thing? He copped a ban in 2017 for use of the forearm and then 2 matches I think for the late swing on Regan Grace a couple of months back. I would have hoped he’d been told to sort himself out. If the player has: - No record showing two or more offences in last 24 months, including one in last 12 months; and no similar offence (as defined in the Sentencing Guidelines) at Grade C or above in last 24 months = penalty at lower end of range (for example – one match for Grade B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dave T said: If the player has: - No record showing two or more offences in last 24 months, including one in last 12 months; and no similar offence (as defined in the Sentencing Guidelines) at Grade C or above in last 24 months = penalty at lower end of range (for example – one match for Grade B) Two or more offences in last 24 months, including at least one in last 12 months; or similar offence at Grade C or above in last 24 months = penalty at higher end of range (for example – two matches for Grade B) So he got the higher end of a Grade C due to 2 offences in the last 2 years, including one in the last 12 months. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Lowdesert said: I think that is was Hudgell was alluding to. Not sure but has he appealed? No mention, so I assume it has been accepted. Looks like the exact same thing happened last year where he was charged with a Grade C tackle on Manfredi - this was challenged and downgraded to a B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I never realised 'till today just how much the posts and threads on here resemble the discussions on Sky when there's foul play, life mirrors art! 2 warning points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Oxford said: I never realised 'till today just how much the posts and threads on here resemble the discussions on Sky when there's foul play, life mirrors art! Sky is a couple of days behind this forum Oxy. Cummings is usually 3 or 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Lowdesert said: Sky is a couple of days behind this forum Oxy. Cummings is usually 3 or 4. Art mirrors life then! Or you always turn into what you hate most. 2 warning points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Oxford said: Art mirrors life then! Or you always turn into what you hate most. Veal. Not looking good fir me then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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