The Daddy 2,509 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 So it's not just in RL where greater Manchester sports clubs are struggling. Given some of our clubs in the region are lacking somewhere to play and the deadline for saving Bury and Bolton has passed there are now two decent stadia with no sports teams and now lying empty. Can RL benefit from this in anyway? A merged Manchester team playing at a decent Gigg Lane stadium perhaps? I'm from South London and know very little about the history and geography of greater Manchester and there's 0% chance of any of this happening but worth the discussion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver Clothesoff 2,805 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 I don’t think it’s specifically a geographical thing. Link to post Share on other sites
The Daddy 2,509 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Only 10 miles from Bury to Manchester city centre, surely it's a decent location for a new merged or otherwise Manchester club. Link to post Share on other sites
Just Browny 7,407 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Depressingly, I think it tells us quite a lot about the future of town clubs in any sport if they fail to capture a billionnaire owner and/or footprint beyond their traditional or obvious borders. 3 I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to post Share on other sites
The Daddy 2,509 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: I don’t think it’s specifically a geographical thing. Yr right and I'm sure they'll be new Bury and Bolton clubs rising from the ashes looking to play at those grounds Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Plow 1,237 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Wonder what will happen to Bolton Stadium if they go bust. Be interesting to see if the CC semi finals are there in 2020, the RFL had Valley Parade lined up this year as back up Link to post Share on other sites
The Daddy 2,509 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Historic sports clubs in Greater Manchester outside of Man Utd and Man City are struggling generally. Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver Clothesoff 2,805 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, The Daddy said: Yr right and I'm sure they'll be new Bury and Bolton clubs rising from the ashes looking to play at those grounds I’m not sure what your point is. If Bolton and Bury do go bust this evening, both will have clubs re-formed by fans by close of play this week. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Manxmanc 877 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 In some ways, this acts as a warning to to other sporting clubs, and it's particularly dispiriting being mindful of the strong RL prescence in Greater Manchester. It's all very sad for these clubs which are only about 6 miles apart. These are strong community clubs and this is potentially disastrous. On a personal note, I've watched home matches at both clubs. In the case of Bury, that was my first ever professional football game, and I might not get the chance to see another game at Gigg Lane. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
The Daddy 2,509 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: I’m not sure what your point is. If Bolton and Bury do go bust this evening, both will have clubs re-formed by fans by close of play this week. That's exactly what I'm saying. But it doesn't mean they'll have the funds to buy the grounds. Edited August 27, 2019 by The Daddy Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver Clothesoff 2,805 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Daddy said: That's exactly what I'm saying. But it doesn't mean they'll have the funds to buy the grounds. I still don’t get what your point is. The reason why they’ve got into trouble isn’t because of their geographic location though. Link to post Share on other sites
The Daddy 2,509 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: I still don’t get what your point is. The reason why they’ve got into trouble isn’t because of their geographic location though. In actual fact I have no idea what yr going on about. I'm just gonna put you on ignore, you have a habit of derailing threads. Edited August 27, 2019 by The Daddy 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver Clothesoff 2,805 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, The Daddy said: In actual fact I have no idea what yr going on about. I'm just gonna put you on ignore See you. Link to post Share on other sites
DEANO 1,412 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Trouble is my own club included in the past, spend more money than they take in. No other business operates like this 1 sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver Clothesoff 2,805 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 I think it’s a stark warning to sporting teams across the country. I know we, as a game of Rugby League, have lost some clubs through money issues (though some have resurfaced) in the past but to see two Football Clubs go in this day and age of Sky and it’s resources, I think there will be some worried sport clubs around this evening. Geography has little to nothing to do with why these two football teams have (possibly) gone. I don’t believe The RFL have the money to buy any stadium, let alone Bolton’s. Link to post Share on other sites
The 4 of Us 1,140 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, The Daddy said: That's exactly what I'm saying. But it doesn't mean they'll have the funds to buy the grounds. The absolute worst publicity a start RL club could have is to buy a ground from under a defunct Bury/Bolton club. You’d have rugby balls and effigies dressed in new club colours being burst outside the main entrance. Ignoring the fact of course there’s not 1 current or wannabe club with close to enough funds to do so! 4 http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910 Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 5,159 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Be interesting to see how anybody could put a value on the ' Reebok ' ? , A football stadium , in fact a genuine ' state of the art , Iconic stadium ' , no argument about that ? , But one that isn't or doesn't have a sustainable football club to play in it ? Wigan perhaps ? , Although that would be interesting as the RFL refused to allow Leigh to move there 20 years ago 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dave T 18,658 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, DEANO said: Trouble is my own club included in the past, spend more money than they take in. No other business operates like this Yes they do Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie 4,352 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 It’s the same in Liverpool, there are two huge teams and everyone else in any sport struggles. Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 5,159 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 It does make you wonder at the logic of a native of Bury with strong links to the club , putting money and media profile into a non league club in Salford Why not Bury FC ? Link to post Share on other sites
Davo5 5,271 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 53 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: As I said before. The RFL and SL should buy Bolton's stadium. It's a good size for some of the 2nd tier showpiece games and would give us a base to create new events. With what,free club Wembley tickets for the next 10 Challenge Cup Finals Link to post Share on other sites
DEANO 1,412 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dave T said: Yes they do Such as sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Link to post Share on other sites
Dave T 18,658 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, DEANO said: Such as Have you not seen all those other businesses going bust? It has been a conveyor belt of struggling businesses, just like in sport. Particularly in RL there has been a huge drive towards sustainability, it just hasn't been possible in many cases. Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 5,159 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) Unrealistic demands by fans , over confidence by businessman owners who think they can ' run ' anything , the changes in contracts brought on by the ' bosman ' ruling , the growth in players agents All are issues that ends up with sports clubs in uncontrollable debt , too many statements declaring " be where we belong " Edited August 27, 2019 by GUBRATS 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DEANO 1,412 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Yes but when has any sports club turned a profit. These clubs have been losing money for years and not just fallen on hard times recently 1 sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Link to post Share on other sites
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