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14 minutes ago, ckn said:

Every patient in critical care in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland's systems aren't compatible with this study.

Almost literally couldn't be bigger for those three countries.

Apart from all the deaths of people who didn’t receive critical care, yep

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From yesterdays Metro:-

 

A group of NHS nurses who performed the haka while chanting about ‘destroying’ coronavirus have apologised after being accused of cultural appropriation.  At the end of the footage, one woman chants: 

‘This is the message we wish to affirm,

You’ll never beat us we hate you, you germ.

Together we’ll triumph with the strength from within.

Mankind will destroy you, mankind will win.’

The team have now apologised for the video after it was branded ‘blatant cultural abuse that is verging on being racist’ by Māori cultural advisor Karaitiana Taiuru, in New Zealand.

Full story here - Metro

 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, JohnM said:

What happens between being 59 years, 364 days, 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds and  60 years?

What about those who cross the international date line the wrong way? One moment they are OK and the next they are vulnerable oldies?

Also, it seems that some people insist on following the science...until they of course know better.

eg. WHO face mask advice vs  "well, it stands to reason...."  or "Germany makes it compulsory...."

For anyone in any doubt about what compulsion means, all is made (un)clear in this BBC (non-political, I think) report:

Even the type of mask is not consistently specified. Prime Minister Winfried Kretschmann of Baden-Württemberg has said medical masks should be reserved for health workers, while scarves or cloth covers would be sufficient for people on the street. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52382196

 

 

 

This is the gold-standard lay analysis of the science around masks. Trisha is a serious expert in this subject and leads teams of researchers that report into the top levels of the NHS. Masks = good, although it should be face-coverings rather than face-masks for non-care workers.

 


"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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4 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

Apart from all the deaths of people who didn’t receive critical care, yep

Yes, but...


"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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3 minutes ago, Jasper said:

From yesterdays Metro:-

 

A group of NHS nurses who performed the haka while chanting about ‘destroying’ coronavirus have apologised after being accused of cultural appropriation.  At the end of the footage, one woman chants: 

‘This is the message we wish to affirm,

You’ll never beat us we hate you, you germ.

Together we’ll triumph with the strength from within.

Mankind will destroy you, mankind will win.’

The team have now apologised for the video after it was branded ‘blatant cultural abuse that is verging on being racist’ by Māori cultural advisor Karaitiana Taiuru, in New Zealand.

Full story here - Metro

 

 

 

 

There's some seriously miserable sods out there.

Anyone who has worked in any stressful environment from the NHS, to police, to mining coal seams, to being a squaddie, and so on, will know that you have to release steam occasionally or you'll just lose it. Who does it harm? No-one.

Posting on social media is a bit silly but in the grand scheme of things it's about as serious as leaving the milk out after you make tea.

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13 minutes ago, ckn said:

There's some seriously miserable sods out there.

Anyone who has worked in any stressful environment from the NHS, to police, to mining coal seams, to being a squaddie, and so on, will know that you have to release steam occasionally or you'll just lose it. Who does it harm? No-one.

Posting on social media is a bit silly but in the grand scheme of things it's about as serious as leaving the milk out after you make tea.

Jesus..... I'm never one to chelp on with the "PC gone made" rubbish. But this is absurd.

It's not even remotely offensive

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2 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Jesus..... I'm never one to chelp on with the "PC gone made" rubbish. But this is absurd.

It's not even remotely offensive

Have you seen the doughnutgate thing then?

He's been the subject of sustained kicking from clinicians all over Twitter since yesterday

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1 minute ago, ckn said:

Have you seen the doughnutgate thing then?

He's been the subject of sustained kicking from clinicians all over Twitter since yesterday

I despair. The world is changing. Folks are dying. Staff are exhausted and frightened. 

Someone puts a smile on our faces .... there's always some annoying person who massively overreacts..... 

He's made a bit of a #### out of himself..

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22 minutes ago, ckn said:

Have you seen the doughnutgate thing then?

He's been the subject of sustained kicking from clinicians all over Twitter since yesterday

Malhotra's been peddling bad science for years. It seems he's branched out into fake outrage. Versatile chap.

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10 minutes ago, Derwent said:

The link won't open on my works computer so apologies if this is covered in the article but I would've thought it's more likely that smokers are at higher risk of the virus causing major problems (due to their damaged lungs) and therefor are more likely to be hospitalised and be tested rather than being less likely to catch the virus, as the title suggests.

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6 hours ago, ckn said:

This is the gold-standard lay analysis of the science around masks. Trisha is a serious expert in this subject and leads teams of researchers that report into the top levels of the NHS. Masks = good, although it should be face-coverings rather than face-masks for non-care workers.

 

Is that this science or that science? Reads like we should be following WHO unless we shouldn't. 

Masks for all? The science says yes.

World Health Organization: Face masks cannot stop healthy people getting Covid-19, says WHO

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4 minutes ago, fevtom said:

The link won't open on my works computer so apologies if this is covered in the article but I would've thought it's more likely that smokers are at higher risk of the virus causing major problems (due to their damaged lungs) and therefor are more likely to be hospitalised and be tested rather than being less likely to catch the virus, as the title suggests.

Some research in France has suggested otherwise and they are going to do some trials with nicotine patches. The theory so far is that nicotine actually prevents the spread of the virus once it’s in your body as it stops the immune system going into overdrive.

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Wow, there's all sorts of weird science coming out of this pandemic.

629 new hospital deaths today according to early reports. Usual caveat that day to day deaths aren't a reliable measure but it does follow the general trend of a slow decline in the number of hospital fatalities over the last week or two

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10 minutes ago, Derwent said:

Some research in France has suggested otherwise and they are going to do some trials with nicotine patches. The theory so far is that nicotine actually prevents the spread of the virus once it’s in your body as it stops the immune system going into overdrive.

20 players navy cut then....

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1 minute ago, Robin Evans said:

20 players navy cut then....

Pah, get on the Capstan full strength, belt and braces


I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally

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"Men will be proud to say 'I am a European'. We hope to see a day when men of every country will think as much of being a European as of being from their native land." (Winston Churchill)

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Another sad tale 

Twins killed by pandemics 100 years apart

A 100-year-old man in the US has died of Covid-19 - more than a century after losing his twin brother to the 1918 flu pandemic, his grandson told CNN.

Philip and Samuel Kahn were born on5 December 1919. Samuel died of the flu just weeks later. The Spanish Flu is thought to have killed between 50-100 million people worldwide, and about 675,000 in the US.

Philip, a World War Two veteran, feared another pandemic would happen in his lifetime, his grandson Warren Zysman told CNN.

"I would have conversations with him and he would say to me, 'I told you history repeats itself, 100 years is not that long of a period of time.'ead more

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3 hours ago, Robin Evans said:

 

Someone puts a smile on our faces 

you wont be smiling for long, lenny henry is on his way tonight 


the grass may be greener on the other side of the fence but the crows are just as black

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23 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

Not on my tellybox he 'aint!

Its funny you should say that because I cant stand him either. Indeed I have never met anyone that does find him funny!

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It feels like a trickle of companies opening back up could become a flood:

DIY chain B&Q has confirmed it has now reopened 155 of its UK stores as lockdown measures remain in place.

After a trial at 14 stores at the weekend, 61 outlets reopened on Wednesday and another 80 on Thursday.

B&Q has introduced "social distancing controls", such as capping the number of customers in-store.

On Thursday, other firms including Jaguar Land Rover, Aston Martin and Taylor Wimpey said they would return to work in May.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52393074

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20 minutes ago, Damien said:

Its funny you should say that because I cant stand him either. Indeed I have never met anyone that does find him funny!

It's less a dislike for Lenny Henry, who I actually really liked his work when I was a teenager, but the impending overload of the forthcoming clamour of a gaggle of funny people (I use the term lightly in some instances) trying to one-up each other in order to furnish the national love-in upon themselves more than anyone else. 

I'm not in the mood for that tonight. 

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7 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

It's less a dislike for Lenny Henry, who I actually really liked his work when I was a teenager, but the impending overload of the forthcoming clamour of a gaggle of funny people (I use the term lightly in some instances) trying to one-up each other in order to furnish the national love-in upon themselves more than anyone else. 

I'm not in the mood for that tonight. 

It has been a long time since I left the UK. I remember in the 80's being excited if Lenny Henry was on, to the 90's when he was OK, to the start of the 00's when he was no longer that funny to me.

I shall take it the trend has continued.

Fair enough, it is a tough career to last in.

I imagine Ian Rush is not the footballer he was, but he is still better than me.

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