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16 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Bingo.

In fact, here's the Challenge Cup the first season I attended a game in it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Challenge_Cup

Just look at all the amateur teams involved. I make it a whole … 1.

I was at the Salford v Springfield game. Good one that.

Until the 1993–94 season there were very few amateur clubs included in the cup, typically two. For part of the 1980s, and the 1992–93 season the cup was solely for professional clubs. The competition was then opened up to large numbers of amateur clubs as part of a deal between the Rugby Football League and British Amateur Rugby League Association over bridging the gap between the professional and amateur leagues.

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15 minutes ago, SL17 said:

Until the 1993–94 season there were very few amateur clubs included in the cup, typically two. For part of the 1980s, and the 1992–93 season the cup was solely for professional clubs. The competition was then opened up to large numbers of amateur clubs as part of a deal between the Rugby Football League and British Amateur Rugby League Association over bridging the gap between the professional and amateur leagues.

Aye, I remember. I saw Askam play at Carlisle in, I think 1992/3, and that would have been the first time I'd seen an amateur/pro match equivalent to the FA Cup style.

There seems to be a bizarre idea that the Challenge Cup has always been open to all and always had amateur clubs having their day in the sun against the big boys.


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How many games do we think a team should need to win before lifting one of our major trophies? 4 seems too few to me. In the FA Cup, a team from the first two divisions needs to win 6 games to win the whole thing, that seems more reasonable.

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4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Aye, I remember. I saw Askam play at Carlisle in, I think 1992/3, and that would have been the first time I'd seen an amateur/pro match equivalent to the FA Cup style.

There seems to be a bizarre idea that the Challenge Cup has always been open to all and always had amateur clubs having their day in the sun against the big boys.

So how long do you think amatuer clubs have been invited to take part in the CC? 

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8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

So how long do you think amatuer clubs have been invited to take part in the CC? 

I've been watching RL since about 1962 and then (and many years before) there were 2 amateur clubs in the 1st round draw with the 30 pro clubs. The amateur clubs were the Yorkshire amateur and the Lancashire/Cumberland amateur cup winners.

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21 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

So how long do you think amatuer clubs have been invited to take part in the CC? 

I make it, in the form we currently have, a little over twenty years. With some variations within that.

I'd have more but it seems a lot of our clubs want to play as few games as physically possible each season.


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15 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

HKR away , again , same as last year 

Sick of seeing you lot to be honest 😁

I went to the draw. Couldn't hear a thing. Was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the Guinness though it was bloody lovely...

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34 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I make it, in the form we currently have, a little over twenty years. With some variations within that.

I'd have more but it seems a lot of our clubs want to play as few games as physically possible each season.

Heworth played pro opposition in the Challenge Cup a few times when I were knee high to a grasshopper in the 90's.

Leigh, Bramley, Oldham and Batley IIRC. I was mascot for the Leigh game in 94!

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55 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I make it, in the form we currently have, a little over twenty years. With some variations within that.

I'd have more but it seems a lot of our clubs want to play as few games as physically possible each season.

Please excuse me if I didn't  pose the question clearly but your statement "There seems to be a bizarre idea that the Challenge Cup has always been open to all and always had amateur clubs having their day in the sun against the big boys." seems to imply that you consider it to be relativley new.

Like Bazz above I cone from the same era and Amatuers in the cup has seemingly always been a fixture, albeit I am sure it goes back much further, again as Bazz stated there were 30 pro clubs, the addition of the 2 amatuers took it the correct divisible number of 32 for a knock out competition.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Toby Chopra said:

Where have you seen this? This has never been the case in the past. 

I was joking


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1 hour ago, HKR AWAY DAYS said:

Sick of seeing you lot to be honest 😁

I went to the draw. Couldn't hear a thing. Was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the Guinness though it was bloody lovely...

Quite a dubios late try to HKR denied us victory last year if you recall, honestly Leigh would be better concentrating on the League this season and not taking this game to seriously, as I suspect a lot of Revers fans would probably have the same feeling in respect for their team.

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37 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Quite a dubios late try to HKR denied us victory last year if you recall, honestly Leigh would be better concentrating on the League this season and not taking this game to seriously, as I suspect a lot of Revers fans would probably have the same feeling in respect for their team.

That would be an error Harry....all rugby games must be taken seriously or injuries will result...you should know that Harry Stottle!

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14 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

That would be an error Harry....all rugby games must be taken seriously or injuries will result...you should know that Harry Stottle!

By serious I was eluding to not putting out the best possible team we have 28 player's, pick those fringe lads instead.

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2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

So how long do you think amatuer clubs have been invited to take part in the CC? 

when FEV got to final in  in 52 two Ryland Recs and Bell Vue Rangers 

67 two BOCM and Blackbrook

73 one Dewsbury Celtic 

74 one Lock Lane

83 none 

big change came in 94 when the got rid of preliminary rounds and first two rounds were just for amateurs

talking about preliminary  rounds  in 83 there was one and in 1990 when saints beat c%s and bradford beat leeds oh happy days  there was five  

funny thing about preliminaries in 82 HKR beat FEV  with a certain Mr Steve Evans playing for FEV   week later Steve transferred to Hull went on to play  and beat widnes in a replay at elland road  RFL said not cup tied because the   challenge cup didn't officially start till round one

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2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

By serious I was eluding to not putting out the best possible team we have 28 player's, pick those fringe lads instead.

It certainly helps to have a larger squad in these occasions or at the very least a decent reserves. 

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2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Quite a dubios late try to HKR denied us victory last year if you recall, honestly Leigh would be better concentrating on the League this season and not taking this game to seriously, as I suspect a lot of Revers fans would probably have the same feeling in respect for their team.

The ' Magic ' of the Cup Harry , where neither team is bothered 😉

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44 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Toronto will be going for the win by playing our starters with no reserves brought up from the junior development program.

Bet you wish you could do though, look at Saints last term they had the benefit of playing lads in numerous games who were not in their starting 17, 4 of them played quite a lot on DR at Leigh being Costello, Bentley, Smith, Ashworth and even the out of favour Richardson, any or all of those lads  would be a good addition to your squad without question.

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17 hours ago, TIWIT said:

I couldn't care less if TWP were to defeat the Giants in the CC. The only games that matter in the long term are SL games.

 

What a strange post, you have no interest in a comp that was going a hundred years before S league was dreamed up and culminates at the national stadium on terrestrial, TV What better place to showcase the Wolfpack, besides which it is your best chance to win anything.

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36 minutes ago, GIANTSTRIDES said:

 

What a strange post, you have no interest in a comp that was going a hundred years before S league was dreamed up and culminates at the national stadium on terrestrial, TV What better place to showcase the Wolfpack, besides which it is your best chance to win anything.

I don't think so, the draw has not been kind to them.

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20 hours ago, Hopping Mad said:

Fifth Round Draw

Wakefield Trinity v Bradford Bulls

Widnes Vikings v Swinton Lions

Sheffield Eagles v Workington Town

Newcastle Thunder v Whitehaven or Dewsbury Rams

Featherstone Rovers v Hunslet

Toronto Wolfpack v Huddersfield Giants @ John Smith's Stadium, Huddersfield

Hull Kingston Rovers v Leigh Centurions

York City Knights v Rochdale Hornets

Ties to be played March 14-15

Wakey 

Widnes 

Workington

Haven

Fev

Hudds

Leigh 😀

York

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Exactly. Losing in the first round AND having a couple of players injured is a worst case scenario. Surviving the first year in Super League must be the club's #1 priority.

Although it would be nice to meet Leigh later on and giving them another good whipping 😋

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1 hour ago, GIANTSTRIDES said:

 

What a strange post, you have no interest in a comp that was going a hundred years before S league was dreamed up and culminates at the national stadium on terrestrial, TV What better place to showcase the Wolfpack, besides which it is your best chance to win anything.

It isn't a strange post - Most fans of SL clubs seem to say the same. Look at the countless threads about attendances at CC rounds and the final, the fans don't care much for it anymore.

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6 minutes ago, Click said:

It isn't a strange post - Most fans of SL clubs seem to say the same. Look at the countless threads about attendances at CC rounds and the final, the fans don't care much for it anymore.

Because it's usually same clump of teams getting there. Might be a better turn out for the final with the 1895 Cup kicking off earlier, depending on the two teams obviously. 

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1 hour ago, Click said:

It isn't a strange post - Most fans of SL clubs seem to say the same. Look at the countless threads about attendances at CC rounds and the final, the fans don't care much for it anymore.

There is truth in your post regarding a lot of fans views, but the teams try hard enough to get there,. Who wouldn't want to turn out at Wembley representing their club and Town/ city/ village😀. That aside most of the Wolfpack fans keep telling us how they will never be allowed to go down, so why are they worrying . Personally i think they will survive under their own steam anyway.

 


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