GUBRATS Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, yipyee said: Yep.. Because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it wasn't good. So ' fag packet ' stadium plans ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, yipyee said: Well there we go, merge Leigh and Wigan (still called wigan) Merge the other 3 and call them Calder... Maybe they had a sensible plan back in the 90s.... So less clubs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: So less clubs ? "Fewer" Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 minute ago, gingerjon said: "Fewer" Whatever ? , Fewer , Less , not as many , still the same thing , Fewer players , Fewer fans , Less money Good solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, yipyee said: Ashton is in Wigan ad is hindley, Haydock is in St Helens, a quick look would help you with geography. Its also the approach union take to ensure poaching doesn't occur. Its a much fairer system. You cannot force young amateur players to play for a particular pro club based on where their amateur club is located 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 39 minutes ago, yipyee said: Add to the product, the product is a european super league. The old scoring system for licensing is a good start, looked at across the board I’m not entirely sure that worked last time. How do you expect it to work in the future? As far as I am concerned, any club needs to add to SL by being competitive. Their geography is irrelevant, I would welcome Leigh just as much as Toulouse, or Keighley, or Newcastle. If they can gain promotion and compete, that’s all we need from them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: So less clubs ? Replace them with expansion sides near to the “heartlands”. Teams like Manchester, Nottingham and carlisle perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tosh said: Replace them with expansion sides near to the “heartlands”. Teams like Manchester, Nottingham and carlisle perhaps? So replace them with teams that don’t exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Just now, Davo5 said: So replace them with teams that don’t exist. Just now, Davo5 said: So replace them with teams that don’t exist. They don’t exist until they are awarded a license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Shepherd Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Adelaide Tiger said: The simple answer is that all those sports have sustainable leagues below them. The NFL have 5 minor leagues beneath them plus the college system. The Indian Premier Cricket League - please tell me that you understand cricket is played across all of India. Aussie Rules you have State Competitions. Big Bash cricket (Australia) see IPL example. Japanese baseball have an Eastern and Western minor league. Major League Baseball has many minor leagues, Independent leagues and College leagues. In a nutshell all of the teams in the lower leagues understand the relationship with the predominant league. The crucial difference though is that P&R is not part of the sporting psyche in the those countries. Those leagues were set up in that way. The other difference with RL in the UK is that there are only a few teams that are "Super". Leeds, Wigan, St Helens are the only ones that come to mind. Warrington were middle of the road, Cas, Hull, Hull KR, Huddersfield, Salford, Wakey have all spent time outside the top flight during the summer era. All but 3 or 4 could easily be replaced by teams from the championship and no one would notice the difference. To pick a closed shop from them would be grossly unfair, they'd be in there because they were in the right place at the right time, not because they were better than their peers, hence the continuing attachment to P&R. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Shepherd Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, yipyee said: Well there we go, merge Leigh and Wigan (still called wigan) Merge the other 3 and call them Calder... Maybe they had a sensible plan back in the 90s.... No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Shepherd Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, yipyee said: Add to the product, the product is a european super league. The old scoring system for licensing is a good start, looked at across the board It's a European Super League that doesn't generate much (if any) revenue outside of the UK. The were never scores for licensing. It was entirely corrupt, the main criteria seemed to be incumbency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Tosh said: Replace them with expansion sides near to the “heartlands”. Teams like Manchester, Nottingham and carlisle perhaps? Wigan is in Manchester , so just incorporate them into Manchester , job solved Yes Damien , Manchester Monsters playing at the LSV , I'd go with that Edited August 29, 2022 by GUBRATS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 2 hours ago, gingerjon said: "Fewer" Many "Fewer" paying fans would be the result of such mergers Ginger, would that be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Davo5 said: You cannot force young amateur players to play for a particular pro club based on where their amateur club is located Very true Dav but a lot of those lads may just like to have the opportunity to play for their home town club who they may well have supported since being kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, David Shepherd said: It's a European Super League that doesn't generate much (if any) revenue outside of the UK. The were never scores for licensing. It was entirely corrupt, the main criteria seemed to be incumbency. Corrupt rather than just not particularly well handled? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Very true Dav but a lot of those lads may just like to have the opportunity to play for their home town club who they may well have supported since being kids. They’ll go where the money is. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Many "Fewer" paying fans would be the result of such mergers Ginger, would that be good? Mergers are a terrible idea. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 15 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Very true Dav but a lot of those lads may just like to have the opportunity to play for their home town club who they may well have supported since being kids. But even more would prefer to play for the best club their talent allows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Davo5 said: But even more would prefer to play for the best club their talent allows. Same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 minute ago, GUBRATS said: Same thing It really isn’t 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, Davo5 said: But even more would prefer to play for the best club their talent allows. Absolutely. If you're reliant on lads playing for their hometown club/club they support as a child out of pride alone, only Leeds, Wigan and Saints might have competitive outfits. They already take advantage of that to supplement their already strong academies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, Davo5 said: But even more would prefer to play for the best club their talent allows. Like if someone who is a ball runner and can pass a ball with accuracy would favour the present Salford before Wigan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: Absolutely. If you're reliant on lads playing for their hometown club/club they support as a child out of pride alone, only Leeds, Wigan and Saints might have competitive outfits. They already take advantage of that to supplement their already strong academies. Which is what all ' fans of the sport ' want to see change , don't you ? , Well don't you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil001 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 It is wrong on so many levels. What was the reasoning that they have to pay for the clubs to travel to them? Did Catalans ever have to do this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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