Leonard Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Whatever happened to RL in South Africa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 That's a good question. Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) Made a WC in 2000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_national_rugby_league_team#2019 Edited November 15, 2022 by Leonard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Leonard said: Whatever happened to RL in South Africa? Oh no you’ve opened a can of worms there, tin hats on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Eddie said: Oh no you’ve opened a can of worms there, tin hats on! Really? Sounds interesting. Never looks like it amounted to a lot - but I am guessing the RFL will get the blame somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, Griff said: It said South Africa on the programme. Whether or not it was a representative South African side, however, has nothing to do with Jamaica or West Indies. As I say I'm not denigrating anything and what we now see as Jamaica was started with these matches, conversations were then had and the links back to Jamaica began here. I remember speaking to someone from the Jamaican RL (as much as it was then) in the Elusive Camel when some of the Storm players were chatting with him @Number 16 was also there IIRC. But the game was all UK based players, it was the South African "Wild Dogs" who had some players who were union players and for whom it was their first match IIRC. None of this is to denigrate it I'm just trying to be clear as at the time South Africa had qualified for the 2000 world cup and were playing internationals more. This was a team set up for UK based players (all of which were rightly proud to pull on a shirt and it was a great game). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, Leonard said: Really? Sounds interesting. Never looks like it amounted to a lot - but I am guessing the RFL will get the blame somewhere. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_league_in_South_Africa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Eddie said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_league_in_South_Africa Thanks - I am going to read that tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Just now, Leonard said: Thanks - I am going to read that tonight. Another litany of missed opportunities, to join all the others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jparrish Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 16 hours ago, Eddie said: Not a bad thing at all, but I want to see a Jamaican national team with a team full of players from Jamaica, and a stronger league there. That’s what I’m talking about and a load of English lads playing against Scotland in London probably won’t help that, whereas Jamaica v USA in Jamaica with a team half full of local players might? We all want to see a Jamaican national team with mostly Jamaican players and I believe we will for the Americas qualifiers? But a mostly Jamaican team in the world cup is a long term goal. Agreed UK based players playing for Jamaica in the UK will do little to develop RL on the island of Jamaica. But in the short term the Jamaican squad will go to France with mostly heritage players. Getting them playing competitive games inbetween now and 2025 should be a short term goal. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 16 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 There's a lot of Old World Privileged posturing going on here about the use of heritage players by Jamaica! But what do those in Jamaica's domestic game think and want? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShropshireBull Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 23 hours ago, MatthewWoody said: In addition to this, having the Britain based players involved only in the World Cup and not playing anymore wouldn't help the team to gel, try combinations, etc. Wouldn't even help supporters know and appreciate the players. Jamaica, with the eligible players who are based in the UK, should play some tests v Wales, etc, while for geographical and economic reasons it should be easy for the domestic lads (+some Uk semi pro, if they can afford the trip) to play the North American test teams. Same goes imho with Lebanon, Italy, Ireland and Scotland. Local grassroots work is not undermined by the involvement of the Aus or Uk heritage players. Any squad made up mostly of NRL sphere players are a waste of our time if we have a strategic plan. The Jam boys are in our sphere of influence so building them up isn’t a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 53 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: Any squad made up mostly of NRL sphere players are a waste of our time if we have a strategic plan. The Jam boys are in our sphere of influence so building them up isn’t a waste. France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Jamaica and maybe even Nigeria are the countries English RL can have the most influence on. A combined heritage and domestic approach to these nations could provide a competitive competition in the NH in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Just now, JM2010 said: France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Jamaica and maybe even Nigeria are the countries English RL can have the most influence on. A combined heritage and domestic approach to these nations could provide a competitive competition in the NH in the future. Take out Ireland and Scotland and you’re bang on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShropshireBull Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, JM2010 said: France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Jamaica and maybe even Nigeria are the countries English RL can have the most influence on. A combined heritage and domestic approach to these nations could provide a competitive competition in the NH in the future. Yep, control what we can control. Even if some of these games are merely pre season games for C4 to show before SL it´s better than nothing and as three of those nations are part time, you could get some competitive games. No reason why Wales vs Jamaica shouldnt be an annual game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Jughead said: Take out Ireland and Scotland and you’re bang on. Why? They'd be able to field a competitive team and give Wales and Jamaica a game. Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Just now, MatthewWoody said: Why? They'd be able to field a competitive team and give Wales and Jamaica a game. The post I quoted was about a mixed heritage/domestic approach and linked to England. Scotland and Ireland have probably fewer than 25 open age sides and subjecting domestic players to full-time pros would be daft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 They can have both. Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iangidds Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 14/11/2022 at 19:51, Midlands hobo said: England? How about they get into Ireland Wales and France 4 nations and see how they go. Because no one will come to such a fixture 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands hobo Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 4 hours ago, iangidds said: Because no one will come to such a fixture Doesn't mean it isn't beneficial to their standard or development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 What are the chances of them getting a women's team going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanaBull Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Jamaica have got the strongest domestic scene going in the Americas. Now that more heritage players are interested in playing for Jamaica, would that mean they could take more of a leadership role on this side of the Atlantic with development? Not at all sure to be honest. It all comes down to the money, Jamaica have a ton of talent, but not often the finances. The three way comp between Jamaica, Canada and the US made for some entertaining games in the few years leading up to the pandemic so would love to see that going again at Lamport. The tie in with the Caribbean Carnival in Toronto made for a cracking night! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, CanaBull said: Jamaica have got the strongest domestic scene going in the Americas. Now that more heritage players are interested in playing for Jamaica, would that mean they could take more of a leadership role on this side of the Atlantic with development? Not at all sure to be honest. It all comes down to the money, Jamaica have a ton of talent, but not often the finances. The three way comp between Jamaica, Canada and the US made for some entertaining games in the few years leading up to the pandemic so would love to see that going again at Lamport. The tie in with the Caribbean Carnival in Toronto made for a cracking night! As you say Jamaica doesn't have the money to fund things. Those matches in Toronto only happened because the CRL (courtesy of Eric Pérez's money) paid for them to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanaBull Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Picture said: As you say Jamaica doesn't have the money to fund things. Those matches in Toronto only happened because the CRL (courtesy of Eric Pérez's money) paid for them to come. I was involved with the Wolverines at the time, it certainly did take a lot of keeping going at times. A lot of people who wanted the same things and made it happen. It can be that way again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iangidds Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Midlands hobo said: Doesn't mean it isn't beneficial to their standard or development. Agreed but we have no money to pay for this game , if you did an England upcoming stars game and tried to get 2 or 3 thousand people watching it in a cosy venue it might be nearer to breaking even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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