Click Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I can understand on one hand that DH is seeing a 250k spend and thinking - why bother when we're getting relegated anyway, but on the other hand .... I don't think London Broncos would still be around if he had stopped paying for the academy years ago. The only way we have been chugging along in the championship is that we are employing southern born players, and not having a team full of northerners that cost more. I believe DH was saying Wellington Albert was our highest paid player last year (he wasn't pleased with his performances over the year), he also mentioned it cost a lot more to employ northern players - as it usually means they have to rent houses for players to share, or they have to rent bigger properties for those with families, or if they aren't providing the housing - they have to pay a lot more for them to move to London with the price difference. We may be able to survive 1 or 2 years without an accademy, survivng off previous graduates, etc. But after that, we aren't able to function with a majority of northerner's anymore. And like other people on this thread have mentioned - It isn't going to be a straight swap of 250k from academy to marketing, etc. It will just be DH not spending that 250k. Ah, in a year of promotion back to SL, it is depressing to be a London RL fan. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Gordon Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said: It's around 450K fee next year Harry for IMG I'm understanding that to be the RFL paying IMG a fee. Is that so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Click said: I can understand on one hand that DH is seeing a 250k spend and thinking - why bother when we're getting relegated anyway, but on the other hand .... I don't think London Broncos would still be around if he had stopped paying for the academy years ago. The only way we have been chugging along in the championship is that we are employing southern born players, and not having a team full of northerners that cost more. I believe DH was saying Wellington Albert was our highest paid player last year (he wasn't pleased with his performances over the year), he also mentioned it cost a lot more to employ northern players - as it usually means they have to rent houses for players to share, or they have to rent bigger properties for those with families, or if they aren't providing the housing - they have to pay a lot more for them to move to London with the price difference. We may be able to survive 1 or 2 years without an accademy, survivng off previous graduates, etc. But after that, we aren't able to function with a majority of northerner's anymore. And like other people on this thread have mentioned - It isn't going to be a straight swap of 250k from academy to marketing, etc. It will just be DH not spending that 250k. Ah, in a year of promotion back to SL, it is depressing to be a London RL fan. It really doesn't make sense does it, from any angle. To me it just seems more likely to kill the Broncos long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said: I'm understanding that to be the RFL paying IMG a fee. Is that so? That is what I have been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Gordon Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: That is what I have been told. If true, words fail me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Tommygilf said: It really doesn't make sense does it, from any angle. To me it just seems more likely to kill the Broncos long term. Pretty much this. The club put out a "call" to supporters to get their opinions, etc. a few days ago which I responded to - What they want to know that they couldn't get from the LBSA, I have no idea. It is just a bit of a joke decision, and I cannot really understand it from a standpoint of wanting London RL to continue to grow and produce players like KPP and the many others that are playing in SL and other leagues. I feel stupid for feeling quite emotional about this decision, and I think it is because of the make up of our current squad, and the idea of us bringing back all these London juniors at other clubs, bringing them home to play in SL, and then also saying - No more of you anymore. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said: If true, words fail me. They aren't doing this for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbrigg Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I can't believe we are paying anything to the IMG shysters for this I'll thought out plan. Surely that a bad joke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Agbrigg said: I can't believe we are paying anything to the IMG shysters for this I'll thought out plan. Surely that a bad joke *plan that all the clubs voted on, were consulted on and approved by a massive majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREPOSTEROUS Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Well I thought the fee was based on future share of income, but they've done well to get £450k for effectively nothing so far. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREPOSTEROUS Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) . Edited November 15, 2023 by PREPOSTEROUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, PREPOSTEROUS said: Well I thought the fee was based on future share of income, but they've done well to get £450k for effectively nothing so far. A couple of consultants at 1k a day. A senior overseeing steerco at 2,5k per day maybe. 7k a day is 64 working days. 3 months work. It shows. 1 Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 45 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said: I'm understanding that to be the RFL paying IMG a fee. Is that so? The RFL could spend that £450K on development officers 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, JM2010 said: The RFL could spend that £450K on development officers 5* officers on 30k per year, out of Uni. 3 years. Better than nowt. Scotland. Wales. North East. etc etc 3 Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbrigg Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 47 minutes ago, MattSantos said: A couple of consultants at 1k a day. A senior overseeing steerco at 2,5k per day maybe. 7k a day is 64 working days. 3 months work. It shows. on a plan a poor undergraduate could have dreamed up in an hour or two, like I said IMG shysters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Gordon Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Blimey. I thought IMG's efforts were very poor value when they were free. If the RFL - who recently put on a budget Tonga series - had £450k spare then, yeah, lost for words. To get back on topic. £450k = the savings 'the game' has made on the Newcastle and London academies in 2024. Thank goodness for RL Commercial, eh! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLANTISMAN Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, JM2010 said: The RFL could spend that £450K on development officers Plus all the expenses freebies retainers for the rl council with IMG thats just shy of 1 million a year. League 1 sorted 100% And around 12 development officers Edited November 16, 2023 by ATLANTISMAN 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coggo Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Clearly IMG is focusing clubs’ minds on driving up commercial standards but this decision by the Broncos is the mother of unintended consequences. No points for Academies seems a major strategic blunder. Can they not revise the criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Tommygilf said: That is what I have been told. Clearly, they should be working for free and be grateful. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, Coggo said: Clearly IMG is focusing clubs’ minds on driving up commercial standards but this decision by the Broncos is the mother of unintended consequences. No points for Academies seems a major strategic blunder. Can they not revise the criteria? Pathways are part of the minimum standards for A Grade tbf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Coggo said: Clearly IMG is focusing clubs’ minds on driving up commercial standards but this decision by the Broncos is the mother of unintended consequences. No points for Academies seems a major strategic blunder. Can they not revise the criteria? The issue is that the RFL decides which clubs are allowed to run elite academies - the RFL would therefore be deciding which clubs to give extra IMG points to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Gordon Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Clearly, they should be working for free and be grateful. No. That's what the RFL expects of 15 hour/week idiots like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: The issue is that the RFL decides which clubs are allowed to run elite academies - the RFL would therefore be deciding which clubs to give extra IMG points to. And to repeat the London Broncos specific bit this is entirely a Broncos decision. A club that has a tradition of making truly awful decisions regardless of the context. They could afford the Academy. There will be no investment in other areas as a result of this decision. Lastly, regardless of IMG points, a club located so far from the normal player pool really needs to invest in having lots of local players anyway or else they will end up, as in the past, spending more on players as they will need to be convinced to move to the most expensive part of the country. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Archie Gordon said: No. That's what the RFL expects of 15 hour/week idiots like me. They don't want to professionalise you and ruin your dream of playing for the Baa-baas at HQ. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Archie Gordon said: If true, words fail me. Surely it is fantastic news. We've been told that IMG's remuneration is a percentage of the increase in the money the game earns. If IMG are already seeing a return, then there must be some new/increased income stream that hasn't been made public yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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