Harry Stottle Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 44 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: Was it asked? Was what asked Tommy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: One of my best mates Is this the source of all the info when I have previously asked you "how do you know that"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Was what asked Tommy? If IMG were getting an annual fee and what that was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 I love the transparency of the process. Fills me with even more juicy, delicious confidence. If true.. 1 Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Tommygilf said: Was it asked? Tommy, it's a long time since I was asked to find money to pay the bills and, to be honest, I don't take a great deal of interest in the finances these days. If the RFL, as a body, want to pay IMG £450,000 a year, that's fine by me. It's their money. But you must see that it's probably no coincidence that everyone except you, with your well-connected best mate, was under the impression that IMG's only remuneration would be from a share of the vast increase in commercial income for which they would be responsible. Which would, of course, mean that they had plenty of incentive to generate said income. The fact that they are receiving an annual fee significantly waters down that incentive. Which creates doubts about the transparency of the deal. 3 "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomersall Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Tommygilf said: One of my best mates I find that unbelievable. Tommy has mates! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Gordon Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, Griff said: ... If the RFL, as a body, want to pay IMG £450,000 a year, that's fine by me. It's their money. ... It is, yeah. But even if they're not a public body, don't they put work out to tender? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said: It is, yeah. But even if they're not a public body, don't they put work out to tender? Maybe they did. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Griff said: Maybe they did. I doubt they (the RFL) would even know where to start, and I would not be surprised if IMG had done a bit of research and thought this lot look a bit gullible there is a few dollars to be made here and it was they who made the first approach. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: I doubt they (the RFL) would even know where to start, and I would not be surprised if IMG had done a bit of research and thought this lot look a bit gullible there is a few dollars to be made here and it was they who made the first approach. IMG are probably right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: I doubt they (the RFL) would even know where to start, and I would not be surprised if IMG had done a bit of research and thought this lot look a bit gullible there is a few dollars to be made here and it was they who made the first approach. I am not sure there is any measure that a company or individual can look at the RFL and RL in England and think that there would be a few dollars to be made. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonbornirishbred Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 If further proof of the disconnect between the club and the fans were needed, it can be found in the latest edition of the club newsletter.... Quote Want Your Say in What Happens at the Club?? London Broncos are seeking fans who want to have a say at their club with regular meetings and consultation. Get Involved! If you would like to be involved email hello@londonbroncosrl.com #WeAreLondon ...the LBSA has existed since 2014, but AGAIN........after launching their "own" version that delivered ZERO in returns, they are doubling down. The oxymoronic thing is that the club are again asking for feedback but not listening when they get it. Frustrating is an understatement and it's no wonder that 3,000+ fans have left the club.... 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dealwithit Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Couple quick observations: 1. Regional academies should be run by the RFL 2. Broncos will pick up IMG points for increased crowds, viewing numbers and revenue from their 2024 season. Probably not enough to stay up. 3. Most supported P&L with minimum standards ie. junior pathways, decent stadium, etc. Few thought the IMG gradings would be what they are: a way to nail in the existing SL clubs. 4. 2024 marks another missed opportunity in the narrative of RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 16 hours ago, Gomersall said: I find that unbelievable. Tommy has mates! Rumbled! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 13 hours ago, Londonbornirishbred said: If further proof of the disconnect between the club and the fans were needed, it can be found in the latest edition of the club newsletter.... ...the LBSA has existed since 2014, but AGAIN........after launching their "own" version that delivered ZERO in returns, they are doubling down. The oxymoronic thing is that the club are again asking for feedback but not listening when they get it. Frustrating is an understatement and it's no wonder that 3,000+ fans have left the club.... And some people think there is any kind of strategy behind what the club does. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, dealwithit said: 3. Most supported P&L with minimum standards ie. junior pathways, decent stadium, etc. Few thought the IMG gradings would be what they are: a way to nail in the existing SL clubs. Hang on, aren't we talking about SL clubs London Broncos beibg kicked out? And Leigh being at risk despite their excellent 2023? And Toulouse are on the list to be elevated. So tbh, I struggle to keep up. If this system is to protect the current teams, it ain't doing a brilliant job, and aren't the likes of London always treated like favourites, until they aren't? I'm not convinced they have it right, which probably isn't a surprise for v1, but I don't doubt what they are trying to achieve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dealwithit Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave T said: Hang on, aren't we talking about SL clubs London Broncos beibg kicked out? And Leigh being at risk despite their excellent 2023? And Toulouse are on the list to be elevated. So tbh, I struggle to keep up. If this system is to protect the current teams, it ain't doing a brilliant job, and aren't the likes of London always treated like favourites, until they aren't? I'm not convinced they have it right, which probably isn't a surprise for v1, but I don't doubt what they are trying to achieve. Yeah good point. But the weighting on League position, tv ratings and crowds is substantial and any B grade club in championship will do it tough cracking the bottom SL clubs from ‘25 onwards — even if they produce players, are based in strategically important areas or have huge potential. If you’re not in SL you’re not on tv and you’re not attracting bigger crowds. Hard to compete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, dealwithit said: Yeah good point. But the weighting on League position, tv ratings and crowds is substantial and any B grade club in championship will do it tough cracking the bottom SL clubs from ‘25 onwards — even if they produce players, are based in strategically important areas or have huge potential. If you’re not in SL you’re not on tv and you’re not attracting bigger crowds. Hard to compete. I do agree with some of the challenges around some of the scoring categories, and my view is that there should be a period of Refinement to make sure these things are doing the right things. Whether they will, we'll we'll see. Ignoring my overarching view of whether P&R and grading are compatible, I don't have too much of an issue with it being difficult for clubs to move into SL. That's part of the point really, it is meant to root out what happened this year. I understand why people don't like the approach, but I'm not sure many could challenge the point that Super League is no better with this London team in. I think we have to see what happens to an extent, I think the scores are relatively close at the top end of Championship and SL, and while I haven't spent any time playing around with movements, it does suggest there will be some P&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dealwithit Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 20 hours ago, Dave T said: I do agree with some of the challenges around some of the scoring categories, and my view is that there should be a period of Refinement to make sure these things are doing the right things. Whether they will, we'll we'll see. Ignoring my overarching view of whether P&R and grading are compatible, I don't have too much of an issue with it being difficult for clubs to move into SL. That's part of the point really, it is meant to root out what happened this year. I understand why people don't like the approach, but I'm not sure many could challenge the point that Super League is no better with this London team in. I think we have to see what happens to an extent, I think the scores are relatively close at the top end of Championship and SL, and while I haven't spent any time playing around with movements, it does suggest there will be some P&R. I agree with your last paragraph. Begs the question, would it not have been easier to allow P&L between same grading teams, rather than observing of 0.01 points — noting the above mentioned favouritism for SL teams. I’d like to think If Featherstone won the championship and a fellow B grade side like Leigh lost, that there’d be straight P&L. Instead we’ll be left counting who go the most tv viewers and the most likes on facebook, when naturally there’s higher engagement in SL than Championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomersall Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 6 hours ago, dealwithit said: I agree with your last paragraph. Begs the question, would it not have been easier to allow P&L between same grading teams, rather than observing of 0.01 points — noting the above mentioned favouritism for SL teams. I’d like to think If Featherstone won the championship and a fellow B grade side like Leigh lost, that there’d be straight P&L. Instead we’ll be left counting who go the most tv viewers and the most likes on facebook, when naturally there’s higher engagement in SL than Championship. Why do you keep calling it P&L? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiggins Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 On 18/11/2023 at 13:45, Dave T said: I don't have too much of an issue with it being difficult for clubs to move into SL. I don't have an issue with it being difficult to get into SL either. But I do have an issue with it being difficult because of a system that I subjectively believe is flawed analysis of data and objectively understand it to be an assessment of a period of time that includes a season (maybe 2 for finance scores) before the system was known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLANTISMAN Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Nice easy start according to St Helens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Rob Butler signs new 1 year contract https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/67491465 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 The little things really shouldn't be difficult to get right: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivarr the Boneless Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 That's what happens when the off field staff basically don't exist unfortunately. As ever, marketing comes last. Stick some posts in the ground, announce kick off time and then wonder why they don't sell out. I was a season ticket holder for twenty odd years and have seen it far too often. I confidently predict that, sadly, it will be just as flawed a strategy as it has been for over a decade now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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