Fri 24th May: SL: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos KO 20:00 (Sky)

[Gooleboy]

4 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

He was however playing stand off though wasn’t he and not the role he’s been given at Leeds, maybe that’s one of the issues.

Frawley actually wasn’t that bad last night, he looks shot of any confidence to me

Come on, this is Leeds we are talking about. At one time, Frawley wouldn't have got into the Leeds A' team.

[Chrispmartha]

1 minute ago, Gooleboy said:

Come on, this is Leeds we are talking about. At one time, Frawley wouldn't have got into the Leeds A' team.

But he was getting into Canberras first team in the NRL playoffs?

[Gooleboy]

6 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

But he was getting into Canberras first team in the NRL playoffs?

If you are happy with him then fair enough.

[Chrispmartha]

Just now, Gooleboy said:

If you are happy with him then fair enough.

Where have I said that?

i think he’s been poor.

[bobbruce]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

I think there has to be serious question marks over Smith.  I know the board will be reluctant to make another change but its hard to continue when you've lost the fans to such an extent and are performing like that. 

I thought the point in the game last night where the Leeds fans cheered a long drop out tells you all you need to know. Smith came in thinking he can reinvent the wheel and I’ll admit he was ahead of the curve with short restarts which look like becoming more and more common. Although teams still have to be selective on when to use it. Their passive defense and poor completion rates are a big no no. Successful teams win the grind first there are no short cuts at this level. 

[bobbruce]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

I think there has to be serious question marks over Smith.  I know the board will be reluctant to make another change but it’s hard to continue when you've lost the fans to such an extent and are performing like that. 

Double post. 

Edited May 25, 2024 by bobbruce

[Tommygilf]

57 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Caddick might have a say in it all and hes the one with the cash

You'd like to think so but I don't think he's ever really gotten too involved tbh. 

[dkw]

12 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

Everyone in the leeds set up needs to take a very long hard look at themselves tonight, from the top down, the players need to take some responsibility aswell.

 

im livid with the whole club tonight which is very unusual for me

Still disagree with me about Miller? That last night was one of the worst full back displays I've seen in SL for quite some time, out of position for the vast majority of the game. He simply isn't an RL full back.

What's the feeling by Leeds fans about Frawley playing ahead of young Sinfield, every time Sinfields on the pitch Leeds seems a much more cohesive attack, more energy etc. I was astounded he wasn't at least on the bench. 

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, M j M said:

My view, much as I would hate for the club to pander to the moron section of its fanbase, is that it's getting close to unsustainable.

Its far from just the moron section of the fanbase. That is why its becoming untenable.

[Chrispmartha]

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

Still disagree with me about Miller? That last night was one of the worst full back displays I've seen in SL for quite some time, out of position for the vast majority of the game. He simply isn't an RL full back.

What's the feeling by Leeds fans about Frawley playing ahead of young Sinfield, every time Sinfields on the pitch Leeds seems a much more cohesive attack, more energy etc. I was astounded he wasn't at least on the bench. 

Yes i do disagree with you about Miller, there’s a player in there, but like most of the team is struggling because we are giving up possession and field position constantly.

Id give Sinfield the 7 shirt but let’s not over state his case, he’s played what 3/4 times as starting 7 and most of those against lesser opposition, he’s still a young kid, to put pressure on him in a side playing with no confidence might not be the best move at his age.

[Tommygilf]

53 minutes ago, Damien said:

That's pretty much what I thought.

The exodus of leadership has been astonishing. Going back further, Kallum Watkins too, plus now we're bringing back Ryan Hall next year!

The problems are bigger than Smith I think its fair to say, but he exacerbates them so much. He must talk a great game.

[dkw]

4 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Yes i do disagree with you about Miller, there’s a player in there, but like most of the team is struggling because we are giving up possession and field position constantly.

 

There's obviously a player there, just not a full back, he's constantly causing your defence problems, players are looking to cover for him. Stick him at centre, I'd think he'd do well there.

[Chrispmartha]

Just now, dkw said:

There's obviously a player there, just not a full back, he's constantly causing your defence problems, players are looking to cover for him. Stick him at centre, I'd think he'd do well there.

Im more concerned with players literally having to cover for players like Newman who can’t be bothered to get back into the defensive line after missing a tackle.

Miller will shine if the team sorts itself out. Much like Dufty is at Wire now they are playing better.

[redjonn]

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Still disagree with me about Miller? That last night was one of the worst full back displays I've seen in SL for quite some time, out of position for the vast majority of the game. He simply isn't an RL full back.

What's the feeling by Leeds fans about Frawley playing ahead of young Sinfield, every time Sinfields on the pitch Leeds seems a much more cohesive attack, more energy etc. I was astounded he wasn't at least on the bench. 

Frawley apart from his error played OK - he wasn't the problem. As to that specific error if he had passed it better would have led to a breakaway and maybe a try, so it was the right idea but a poor pass. I prefer playing whats in front of you rather than a pure safety first, but yep poor execution but the mindset right.

Personally I haven't been impressed with Sinfield to-date and don't think he would be playing in many of the SL teams at the moment, so he ain't the answer. I ain't seen him control a game nor have the range of field kicking needed when you are losing the forward battle and unable to get out yer own half most of the game and hence losing the energy battle.

No matter whom is what half back until Leeds have a stronger, more dynamic, powerful and athletic  combination set of forwards/props they will struggle.  For me that's where they need to focus plus find a half back with better field kicking that can help when losing the forward battle and that's neither Frawley or Sinfield.

Oh and yes Miller ain't a good enough all round full back.

Despite keeping in the game first half that was were it was inevitable they were going to lose the game... there energy tanks were emptying and whilst I expected Saints to run away in last quarter it happened sooner than expected.

 

[dkw]

6 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Im more concerned with players literally having to cover for players like Newman who can’t be bothered to get back into the defensive line after missing a tackle.

Miller will shine if the team sorts itself out. Much like Dufty is at Wire now they are playing better.

Newman has clocked off hasn't he, doesn't even seem to have that tetchiness anymore, seems very disconnected. I hate that, I love watching him when he's on it.

[Chrispmartha]

4 minutes ago, redjonn said:

Frawley apart from his error played OK - he wasn't the problem. As to that specific error if he had passed it better would have led to a breakaway and maybe a try, so it was the right idea but a poor pass. I prefer playing whats in front of you rather than a pure safety first, but yep poor execution but the mindset right.

Personally I haven't been impressed with Sinfield to-date and don't think he would be playing in many of the SL teams at the moment, so he ain't the answer. I ain't seen him control a game nor have the range of field kicking needed when you are losing the forward battle and unable to get out yer own half most of the game and hence losing the energy battle.

No matter whom is what half back until Leeds have a stronger, more dynamic, powerful and athletic  combination set of forwards/props they will struggle.  For me that's where they need to focus plus find a half back with better field kicking that can help when losing the forward battle and that's neither Frawley or Sinfield.

Oh and yes Miller ain't a good enough all round full back.

Despite keeping in the game first half that was were it was inevitable they were going to lose the game... there energy tanks were emptying and whilst I expected Saints to run away in last quarter it happened sooner than expected.

 

I do believe we are targeting forwards for next season Josh Papalli’i being one of the main ones were speaking to

Frawley was not the issue last night, and ive no issues with him going for that pass, comes off and Handley is under the sticks snd Leeds are 12 points up.

[dkw]

6 minutes ago, redjonn said:

Frawley apart from his error played OK - he wasn't the problem. As to that specific error if he had passed it better would have led to a breakaway and maybe a try, so it was the right idea but a poor pass. I prefer playing whats in front of you rather than a pure safety first, but yep poor execution but the mindset right.

Personally I haven't been impressed with Sinfield to-date and don't think he would be playing in many of the SL teams at the moment, so he ain't the answer. I ain't seen him control a game nor have the range of field kicking needed when you are losing the forward battle and unable to get out yer own half most of the game and hence losing the energy battle.

No matter whom is what half back until Leeds have a stronger, more dynamic, powerful and athletic  combination set of forwards/props they will struggle.  For me that's where they need to focus plus find a half back with better field kicking that can help when losing the forward battle and that's neither Frawley or Sinfield.

Oh and yes Miller ain't a good enough all round full back.

Despite keeping in the game first half that was were it was inevitable they were going to lose the game... there energy tanks were emptying and whilst I expected Saints to run away in last quarter it happened sooner than expected.

 

Yeah it was almost inevitable they would drop away, the scoreline was "wrong" at half time if you watched it, Saints were completely dominant with Leeds clinging on.

Fair enough on Sinfield, I haven't seem anywhere near enough of him, just looked to me like he lifted the team when on.

Fully agree on the pack, which is astonishing when you think of the plethora of young, dynamic forwards coming through a few years ago, i thought your pack was going to be incredible. 

[Chrispmartha]

Just now, dkw said:

Newman has clocked off hasn't he, doesn't even seem to have that tetchiness anymore, seems very disconnected. I hate that, I love watching him when he's on it.

He’s such a frustrating player because he’s got all the talent in the world but he’s either too ‘enthusiastic’ or too disinterested.

hes been unlucky so far in his career A. With injuries and B. Being in mostly rubbish Leeds sides.

Stick him in a side like Wigan or Saints and he would shine.

[dkw]

2 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

I do believe we are targeting forwards for next season Josh Papalli’i being one of the main ones were speaking to

Frawley was not the issue last night, and ive no issues with him going for that pass, comes off and Handley is under the sticks snd Leeds are 12 points up.

I dont get the stick he's getting for that pass, it was pretty much all Leeds had to get to Saints was to go for things like that from deep as they weren't really making the yards in their sets.

[Chrispmartha]

Just now, dkw said:

I dont get the stick he's getting for that pass, it was pretty much all Leeds had to get to Saints was to go for things like that from deep as they weren't really making the yards in their sets.

Fans have just got a bee in their bonnet about him so give him stick for everything.

[dkw]

5 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

He’s such a frustrating player because he’s got all the talent in the world but he’s either too ‘enthusiastic’ or too disinterested.

hes been unlucky so far in his career A. With injuries and B. Being in mostly rubbish Leeds sides.

Stick him in a side like Wigan or Saints and he would shine.

Yeah, maybe a move would help him out, maybe even to the NRL.

[Chrispmartha]

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

Yeah, maybe a move would help him out, maybe even to the NRL.

Apparently he could have gone to the NRL instead of resigning for Leeds, but he’s on a fortune at Leeds so maybe money talks.

Leeds need to be careful that they don’t lose their genuinely quality players, because despite current performances we have a fair few.

[M j M]

1 hour ago, Gooleboy said:

What has Brian Smith ever won?

I have no idea what relevance that has at all.

[sheddingswasus]

39 minutes ago, dkw said:

Newman has clocked off hasn't he, doesn't even seem to have that tetchiness anymore, seems very disconnected. I hate that, I love watching him when he's on it.

I have never rated him to he honest. But I suppose everyone’s opinions differ 

[redjonn]

1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said:

Apparently he could have gone to the NRL instead of resigning for Leeds, but he’s on a fortune at Leeds so maybe money talks.

Leeds need to be careful that they don’t lose their genuinely quality players, because despite current performances we have a fair few.

Your last sentence indicates the conundrum the management have with keeping or losing the coach. 

That is if he stays and the team continues as is I think they will lose a number of the better players, e.g Rhyse Martin (back home/nrl), Ash Handley (Catalan after him), Newman NFL or better SL team), & others etc...  Hence restarting building.  Of course if he turns it around then some may stay but even then frustration for the better players that have been their the last 5 years or even youngsters thinking mmmm may as well take the opportunity another club offers...