Griff Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 The sense of entitlement from supporters of a club that has lost a record number of Championship grand finals is hard to believe. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"
Fevrover Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 2 minutes ago, Griff said: The sense of entitlement from supporters of a club that has lost a record number of Championship grand finals is hard to believe. ANYTHING to have a dig at Fev, get your own club in order first! 1
Leigh-On-Kiwi Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 On 21/11/2024 at 03:16, philcow said: Mr walkers comments on img are totally rubbish For years cas and wakey took superleauges money and did nothing with their grounds and facilities my club featherstone built new stands (thanks volunteers) a center of excellence wich most superleague teams dont have all on the finances of a championship club and mark campbell yet where has this been recognised in the so called img gradings its still not fit for purpose and never will be as long as promotion is not attainable ,fev have dominated the championship for years and have never got the recognition deserved i know we failed in grand finals but the ability to get there again and try for promotion on the field has gone this is not a good way to keep fans invested in the lower leagues Erm... maybe dominated should be replaced with participated? 2
Griff Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 51 minutes ago, Fevrover said: ANYTHING to have a dig at Fev, get your own club in order first! It's not the remarkable lack of success in grand finals that draws the "digs". It's the constant whinging. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"
Gooleboy Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 2 hours ago, Griff said: I don't folliow soccer. Do your own research. Of the top of my head, Gateshead last season. 1
The Phantom Horseman Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 This thread highlights the fact that there are still some (well at least 1, though there are undoubtedly more) Fev fans keen to play the victim card, and at least a couple (though again there are undoubtedly more) RL fans happy to label the fans of one club under a single banner. Neither is a good look. 2 4 "I won’t engage in a debate because the above is correct and if anything else is stated to the contrary it’s incorrect."
gingerjon Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 12 hours ago, DEANO said: Who was the last team to be denied promotion in the football pyramid You can have one from the other extreme as well. Despite finishing 7th, North Shields failed their grading (not completing required ground improvements) and were relegated into the league below. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)
Worzel Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 Of all people that confuse me about the change from "automatic" promotion & relegation, to this new model, the Featherstone ones confuse me the most. Their team was systematically failed by the P&R lottery, despite doing many things their competitors didn't like investing in their facilitites and growing the commercial base of the club. But still didn't get into Super League, under the former model they seem to think gave them the best chance, whilst others just rode their luck and bet on investing in a single season's performance, or got 'lucky' in a one-off promotion play-off. Cogniitive dissonance. Surely they can see that a more rounded model would have given them a better chance before, and still might do so now? The last one certainly didn't. 2
The Phantom Horseman Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 1 hour ago, Worzel said: Of all people that confuse me about the change from "automatic" promotion & relegation, to this new model, the Featherstone ones confuse me the most. Their team was systematically failed by the P&R lottery, despite doing many things their competitors didn't like investing in their facilitites and growing the commercial base of the club. But still didn't get into Super League, under the former model they seem to think gave them the best chance, whilst others just rode their luck and bet on investing in a single season's performance, or got 'lucky' in a one-off promotion play-off. Cogniitive dissonance. Surely they can see that a more rounded model would have given them a better chance before, and still might do so now? The last one certainly didn't. It's worth remembering that a lot of Fev fans' feelings about P & R compared with other systems date back a long time, not just the last few years. The events of 1994/95 are still well remembered by older fans of the club; Fev finished 11th of 16 which should have been comfortably prevented them from being relegated, but instead they were booted into the second tier, alongside the likes of Keighley, who were expecting to be promoted after winning the 2nd division, to make room for London Broncos (who finished fourth in the 2nd division) and newcomers Paris St Germain. The in 2011 Fev crowned a steady ascent to the top of the second tier, topping the league, losing only 1 game all season, and crushing Sheffield in the Grand Final. However, under the licensing system, Widnes, who finished 5th, 18 points behind Fev, and were thrashed 56-16 and 40-4 in their two games against Fev, were promoted instead. Personally, I thought the old P & R system wasn't ideal, in that it made it very difficult for teams that were promoted in October to recruit a SL-ready team unless they had a Beaumont or Ellis who could afford to build a SL-quality team under Championship funding levels. So I'm not against "a more rounded model" necessarily, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to point out what I see as some obvious flaws with the current system. But that's for another thread! 4 "I won’t engage in a debate because the above is correct and if anything else is stated to the contrary it’s incorrect."
DI Keith Fowler Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 21 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said: The in 2011 Fev crowned a steady ascent to the top of the second tier, topping the league, losing only 1 game all season, and crushing Sheffield in the Grand Final. However, under the licensing system, Widnes, who finished 5th, 18 points behind Fev, and were thrashed 56-16 and 40-4 in their two games against Fev, were promoted instead. Well that's great but you knew that wasn't the criteria for promotion at that time. You didn't build that team with the intention of getting a licence, you didn't even apply! 2 I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks.
The Phantom Horseman Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 3 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said: Well that's great but you knew that wasn't the criteria for promotion at that time. You didn't build that team with the intention of getting a licence, you didn't even apply! I'm aware of that, I'm just providing context of why some Fev fans prefer P & R to "off-the-field" based systems such as Licensing, IMG's points system. "I won’t engage in a debate because the above is correct and if anything else is stated to the contrary it’s incorrect."
Griff Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 14 hours ago, Gooleboy said: Of the top of my head, Gateshead last season. As if by magic .... https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=969284945226755&set=pb.100064357767132.-2207520000&locale=en_GB "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"
Tommygilf Posted November 22, 2024 Posted November 22, 2024 9 hours ago, DI Keith Fowler said: Well that's great but you knew that wasn't the criteria for promotion at that time. You didn't build that team with the intention of getting a licence, you didn't even apply! Don't come talking facts here! 3
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