Fevrover Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 8 hours ago, yipyee said: Odd thing about league is everyone thinks they should be in the top division. Football fans are happy watching their team at whatever level, hence the big crowds Iam sorry but if we don't at least try to be in the top division then what's the point ? Got to aim for something or its a waste of time and money,down to IMG points now so it's not just on the pitch and that as been excepted by looks of it at Fev with the plans for the ground. 2
JohnM Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 1 hour ago, Fevrover said: Iam sorry but if we don't at least try to be in the top division then what's the point ? Got to aim for something or its a waste of time and money,down to IMG points now so it's not just on the pitch and that as been excepted by looks of it at Fev with the plans for the ground. So well done for trying to build for the future rather than just marking time. 2
Griff Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 2 hours ago, Fevrover said: Iam sorry but if we don't at least try to be in the top division then what's the point ? Got to aim for something or its a waste of time and money,down to IMG points now so it's not just on the pitch and that as been excepted by looks of it at Fev with the plans for the ground. There are plenty of non-league soccer teams that get bigger crowds than Championship rugby league. Their fans have a different philosophy. They go to be entertained, have craic with their mates, get away from the wife, whatever. They're much more realistic about what they can achieve. 2 1 "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"
sweaty craiq Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 2 hours ago, Griff said: There are plenty of non-league soccer teams that get bigger crowds than Championship rugby league. Their fans have a different philosophy. They go to be entertained, have craic with their mates, get away from the wife, whatever. They're much more realistic about what they can achieve. Avg gate is about 2500 that compared with the Championship in RL 2023 of 2000
yipyee Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 5 hours ago, Fevrover said: Iam sorry but if we don't at least try to be in the top division then what's the point ? Got to aim for something or its a waste of time and money,down to IMG points now so it's not just on the pitch and that as been excepted by looks of it at Fev with the plans for the ground. Why not just be happy watching your team play rugby and be entertained. Meet up with the lads (or girls etc) and have a good few hours. Talk about how the game went, who's looking good who is past it etc.. Or maybe take the kids who will be inspired to play themselves. Why does it need to be top level or nothing?? 5
Fevrover Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 1 hour ago, yipyee said: Why not just be happy watching your team play rugby and be entertained. Meet up with the lads (or girls etc) and have a good few hours. Talk about how the game went, who's looking good who is past it etc.. Or maybe take the kids who will be inspired to play themselves. Why does it need to be top level or nothing?? I didn't say top or nothing ,imho got to have something to aim for,not everyone will agree and i don't expect them to. 2
Fevrover Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 4 hours ago, Griff said: There are plenty of non-league soccer teams that get bigger crowds than Championship rugby league. Their fans have a different philosophy. They go to be entertained, have craic with their mates, get away from the wife, whatever. They're much more realistic about what they can achieve. The Wife comes as well . 1 1
fighting irish Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 6 minutes ago, Fevrover said: The Wife comes as well . you poor thing. 2
Fevrover Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 Just now, fighting irish said: you poor thing. We love watching Rugby ,done it for 53 years me. 2
fighting irish Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 1 minute ago, Fevrover said: We love watching Rugby ,done it for 53 years me. i'm just pulling your leg mate. Don't take it to heart? 1
Fevrover Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 9 minutes ago, fighting irish said: i'm just pulling your leg mate. Don't take it to heart? I know lol .
The Masked Poster Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 Non league or lower division football fans are perfectly happy watching their side at whatever level they may be it's true. But they still have one eye on the stars and to categorically say that dream is a waste of time, changes things somewhat. Like the FA Cup, however unrealistic, they still hope of a shock win away at Arsenal or whoever. If they decided that lower league clubs cannot play PL clubs, then this would kill off a big chunk of the romance. That's why in the year 2000, Bradford City were in the PL and Harrogate were non league. Yet today they are both in the lowest pro league and Harrogate have the upper hand these days. Yes, it takes money but if Harrogate were told 20 years ago "don't bother, you aren't up to scratch" they would still be non league. The OP has some valid points. 4
DEANO Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 6 hours ago, Griff said: There are plenty of non-league soccer teams that get bigger crowds than Championship rugby league. Their fans have a different philosophy. They go to be entertained, have craic with their mates, get away from the wife, whatever. They're much more realistic about what they can achieve. Would they have the same philosophy if it was a season of friendlies ? 2 sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward
Gooleboy Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 7 hours ago, Griff said: There are plenty of non-league soccer teams that get bigger crowds than Championship rugby league. Their fans have a different philosophy. They go to be entertained, have craic with their mates, get away from the wife, whatever. They're much more realistic about what they can achieve. But they still go hoping their team will gain promotion. 4
Griff Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 59 minutes ago, DEANO said: Would they have the same philosophy if it was a season of friendlies ? What absolute blocks!! They have exactly the same as the RL Championship teams. A competition of their own which is against teams at their own level. They're not friendlies, are they ? It's nonsense talk like that which undermines your entire argument. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"
Tommygilf Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 1 hour ago, Gooleboy said: But they still go hoping their team will gain promotion. Absolutely, but that level, where our Championship sits equivalent to, is separated from the parts of the sport that make the money that funds the entire game in the country, by more places than we have in our entire professional league system. To be good enough to earn a place in the money making aspect of football in England and Wales, a club has to not only meet pretty rigorous high standards (Luton couldn't play at home till they spent £10 million on upgrading their stadium for example for a league they spent a year in), but also go through the trial by competition that the 9 levels (with leagues within those) of the Pyramid - and that is if they are even in the pyramid in the first place and not just some regional league. Clubs have to be fully professional in the 4th division, and most are in the 5th and two 6th divisions. The comparison with RL, or rather non comparison, should be plainly obvious. Indeed RL was set up as a specifically professionals game. We insisted on not having an open pyramid with application by invitation only. It appears some don't like that when it is applied further...
DEANO Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 55 minutes ago, Griff said: What absolute blocks!! They have exactly the same as the RL Championship teams. A competition of their own which is against teams at their own level. They're not friendlies, are they ? It's nonsense talk like that which undermines your entire argument. Err with promotion sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward
Agbrigg Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 Ever since SL came into being, there has always been a section of Fev fans bleating, unfairness that they are not in SL and plenty of those years promotion was open to on field performance, yet they choked. With the present situation at Salford, their future looks precarious and maybe they could even be relegated as a result. If that happens then a team from The Championship will replace them. However life is so unfair I suspect that team wont be poor old hard done by Fev. I for one would love Fev to be in SL because I am chufin fed up with their constant moaning. 1 1
Griff Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 18 minutes ago, DEANO said: Err with promotion Not necessarily. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"
Gooleboy Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 46 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: Absolutely, but that level, where our Championship sits equivalent to, is separated from the parts of the sport that make the money that funds the entire game in the country, by more places than we have in our entire professional league system. To be good enough to earn a place in the money making aspect of football in England and Wales, a club has to not only meet pretty rigorous high standards (Luton couldn't play at home till they spent £10 million on upgrading their stadium for example for a league they spent a year in), but also go through the trial by competition that the 9 levels (with leagues within those) of the Pyramid - and that is if they are even in the pyramid in the first place and not just some regional league. Clubs have to be fully professional in the 4th division, and most are in the 5th and two 6th divisions. The comparison with RL, or rather non comparison, should be plainly obvious. Indeed RL was set up as a specifically professionals game. We insisted on not having an open pyramid with application by invitation only. It appears some don't like that when it is applied further... My comparison is with supporter emotion. Rugby or Football we go through our loyalty to our Club and wanting it to be successful. For my sins I have been going to Elland Road for 59 years so I have seen good times and bad, but the same as 36k others who go, I want them to get back to the PL. 1
DEANO Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 37 minutes ago, Griff said: Not necessarily. Who was the last team to be denied promotion in the football pyramid sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward
daz39 Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 9 hours ago, Griff said: There are plenty of non-league soccer teams that get bigger crowds than Championship rugby league. Their fans have a different philosophy. They go to be entertained, have craic with their mates, get away from the wife, whatever. They're much more realistic about what they can achieve. As a non league fan (Step 4) this is exactly why most of our fans do go. My team got promoted from Step 5 last season and are already flying high again this year despite survival being the goal, i'd still be delighted if we just stay up but it's pretty frightening to think we may mount another promotion push and find ourselves at an even higher level where the whole attitude at that level is already starting to become about money and success and not about the fun, i hope my club never go down that road and remain a place where 4-500 of us can escape to and enjoy each others and the players and officials company. HGSA.org.uk proudly partnering with https://www.sportsandbetting.net/ the ultimate destination for people who enjoy sports betting.
Tommygilf Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 51 minutes ago, Gooleboy said: My comparison is with supporter emotion. Rugby or Football we go through our loyalty to our Club and wanting it to be successful. For my sins I have been going to Elland Road for 59 years so I have seen good times and bad, but the same as 36k others who go, I want them to get back to the PL. Absolutely, but the difference between Leeds United and Premier League clubs is miniscule (and has the finances to support that) compared to those in our pyramid. Winning the football Championship is, in general, enough to prove some level of operational capacity in the league above. Our Championship, on the field alone, does not provide that. That is the harsh reality.
DEANO Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 Suppose you’re right there. Just ask kr cas and Huddersfield Leigh etc sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward
Griff Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 47 minutes ago, DEANO said: Who was the last team to be denied promotion in the football pyramid I don't folliow soccer. Do your own research. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"
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