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#61 Manx RL

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:02 AM

QUOTE (JWAD @ Aug 20 2010, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thoughts? Where are all these spectators during the rest of the season?


Not at the semi finals thats for sure.

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#62 shaun mc

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 11:11 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Aug 21 2010, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, it suggests that any final anywhere in the world is more attractive than a bog-standard game.

Cup finals are events that get the whole towns involved and always have been. People use the term glory-hunters, and that's up to them, but I don't necessarily agree. We are going in a group of 12 this year, and probably only 2 or 3 of us could be classed as regulars (I don't attend regularly but my Season Ticket does!). People bring their wives, husbands, kids etc who wouldn't normally attend.

There is no surprise, and 25k fans at Wembley will never ever equate to 25k at a regular home game.

Exactly.
If Wire get 250 season tickets for next season out of the 25k attending it will be a bonus for them.
The sell out financially supports the game as a whole that does not have too many top level income streams.
There were some good marketing initiatives this year such as the 10 seats on the back 3 rows that will have cost money but fills the stadium.

Do we seriously just want the regulars to go then moan about an attendance of only 50 to 60k?



#63 Ivansneck

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Aug 20 2010, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you look at big events such as the FA Cup, Heineken Cup, Six Nations and Champions League Final etc these are dominated by bandwagon jumpers.

RL is no different it seems.


I like watching RL, but support no particular club, as I was born and bred in the East Midlands. I'm taking my young son to Wembley for the first time. Why do you sneer at people like us as bandwagon jumpers?

#64 Ivansneck

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE (JWAD @ Aug 20 2010, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Union" can't do that. Nobody is permitted to in fact for reasons of insurance and health & safety guidelines.
In a modern stadium, the numbers are calculated in real-time as each ticket is scanned at entry points.
The official figure (not a rounded-off figure you might see in a news article) will be an actual number of tickets scanned.


This is true from the stadium's point of view, but what is quoted as an 'attendance' in the media is sometimes the tickets sold, not the number attending, which is why you sometimes see two different 'attendance' figures. Really each number should be accompanied by an explanation of what it is a measure of.

#65 1976PMJwires

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE (Ivansneck @ Aug 22 2010, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like watching RL, but support no particular club, as I was born and bred in the East Midlands. I'm taking my young son to Wembley for the first time. Why do you sneer at people like us as bandwagon jumpers?




Wendal is referring to Wire fans jumping on the bandwagon, not the neutrals.

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#66 JWAD

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 12:04 PM

QUOTE (Ivansneck @ Aug 22 2010, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is true from the stadium's point of view, but what is quoted as an 'attendance' in the media is sometimes the tickets sold, not the number attending, which is why you sometimes see two different 'attendance' figures. Really each number should be accompanied by an explanation of what it is a measure of.

Thats more about lazy jouralism than anything else though.

#67 Northern Eel

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 01:17 PM

I dislike this obsession with average league gates with cup final attendees.

The word 'average' refers to the typical number of people at a single game at any time during the season. This means therefore that whilst the average may be 11K, there were in reality many more supporters who went to games that season, even when you take the away following into account in these figures.

#68 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Northern Eel @ Aug 23 2010, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dislike this obsession with average league gates with cup final attendees.

The word 'average' refers to the typical number of people at a single game at any time during the season. This means therefore that whilst the average may be 11K, there were in reality many more supporters who went to games that season, even when you take the away following into account in these figures.


I'm the same, it doesn't make any sense to criticise a club for being able to take so many more to a final, especially as this happens in all sports. For instance I remember going the pub for Liverpool's Champions League finals and they were far more packed than for typical league games, these weren't glory hunters. The interest is inevitably higher amongst all types of people.

As for your other point, I could use my own experience as a case in point. For me RL is a family thing and there are about 7 who would go during the course of a season. Now it's very rare that all 7 of us would go at once, and sometimes it might even be none of us who would make it. For a final, especially a Challenge Cup final, all of us would go and there would be interest from other family members who nearly never go like my sisters and my mum.

There's nothing wrong with this at all. A final is a final and attracts people who only have a minimal interest. If Wire did managed to get 30,000 fans to go games every week, then they would be able to bring 70,000 to a final. It's just the way of the world.

#69 JohnM

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 05:46 PM

QUOTE (Northern Eel @ Aug 23 2010, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dislike this obsession with average league gates with cup final attendees.

The word 'average' refers to the typical number of people at a single game at any time during the season. This means therefore that whilst the average may be 11K, there were in reality many more supporters who went to games that season, even when you take the away following into account in these figures.


I don't understand. I thought the average attendance was the total attendance at all games divided by the number of games

The average of any set of quantities can be found by adding all the numbers together then dividing by the number of quantities in the set. i.e. average = total of quantities / number of quantities


#70 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 05:50 PM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Aug 23 2010, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't understand. I thought the average attendance was the total attendance at all games divided by the number of games

The average of any set of quantities can be found by adding all the numbers together then dividing by the number of quantities in the set. i.e. average = total of quantities / number of quantities


Pretty sure he means that an average of 11k doesn't mean that the same 11k go every game and in fact the reality might be as many as 30k will go at some point during the year.




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