Football

[HawkMan]

7 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Norwich really are the Leigh RLFC of football, what is the point of coming up every other year to be so bad?

The difference of course is the money. 100million for a season in PL, then subsequent parachute payments. Really wouldn't surprise me if Norwich were in the top 40 richest clubs in England. And as Norwich never spend enough to stay up, it's up, down,  up, down etc 

My prediction is Norwich will be in PL, seasons '23-'24, '25-'26, '27-'28 ad infinitum .

Edit - Norwich are rated 30th richest in England,  not in top 50 Europe. 

Edited December 27, 2021 by HawkMan

[Josef K]

Newcastle were unlucky not to pick up the three pts last night. 
WBA fan’s are not happy with their loss against the virtually doomed Derby. 

[gingerjon]

On 27/12/2021 at 08:23, Tommygilf said:

Norwich really are the Leigh RLFC of football, what is the point of coming up every other year to be so bad?

What's the alternative?

[GUBRATS]

On 27/12/2021 at 08:23, Tommygilf said:

Norwich really are the Leigh RLFC of football, what is the point of coming up every other year to be so bad?

Never a Dull season as a Canaries Fan 

[Josef K]

Well played Leicester on beating Liverpool, it was a cracking win. 

[Tommygilf]

On 28/12/2021 at 08:30, gingerjon said:

What's the alternative?

Close down Norwich ?

In all seriousness, the parachute payment model shouldn't be so attractive that clubs actively go into a Premier League season willing to accept relegation - and indeed doing so mulitple times. That business model shouldn't be one that is supported.

[Tommygilf]

On 28/12/2021 at 08:39, GUBRATS said:

Never a Dull season as a Canaries Fan 

Apart from every other season rooted to the bottom of the premier league...

[Route66]

A lot of good attendances accross the NPL divisions on the 27th ,looking forward to even more for the new years day games,growing up the boxing day/new year rugby league derby games were the highlight of the season with returning friends and family members making rare appearance at a game

[GUBRATS]

3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Apart from every other season rooted to the bottom of the premier league...

Playing to stay up , a bit like Leeds in the middle 8s , twice 

[Tommygilf]

18 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Playing to stay up , a bit like Leeds in the middle 8s , twice 

They aren't though, that was my point. They come up usually fairly easily and plan fully expecting to go back down again giving zero fight in the process and have said that yo yo-yoing is their business plan.

[Gerrumonside ref]

I think Norwich have established a long standing culture for playing good football and promoting youth where possible on top of trying to live within their means.

I think this dogma is great in principle but prevents them from being slightly more pragmatic like perhaps Burnley have been down the years in terms of playing style.

Put simply, if you try and out-football the good teams all of the time with worse players then you will take a few beatings in the Premier League that can destroy confidence in the game plan.

PS Occasionally a well coached team will emerge and defy gravity in the Premier League temporarily but it really is a tough gig for an inferior footballing side.

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Gerrumonside ref

[graveyard johnny]

14 hours ago, Josef K said:

Well played Leicester on beating Liverpool, it was a cracking win. 

klopp basically holding the door open for pep

[Josef K]

2 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:

klopp basically holding the door open for pep

Let’s hope so.

[Gerrumonside ref]

12 minutes ago, Josef K said:

Let’s hope so.

Or not.

[Josef K]

7 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Apart from every other season rooted to the bottom of the premier league...

I listened to The Scrimmage before on the BBC and the Norwich fan’s seem to be blaming poor recruitment and loan signings. 

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, Josef K said:

I listened to The Scrimmage before on the BBC and the Norwich fan’s seem to be blaming poor recruitment and loan signings. 

Billy Gilmour from Chelsea does seem to be getting in for a lot of criticism at the moment.

They've sold one of their best players to a direct rival and spent a grand total of £50million (and only £15 million net at that). They've also not spent more than £10million on a single player that they have brought in, and two of their other top non loan players Pukki and Cantwell, are out of contract at the end of the season.

Quite simply, to stay up, that isn't good enough. I suspect however that they know that.

[GUBRATS]

The premier League was over 3 weeks ago 

[GUBRATS]

6 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

They aren't though, that was my point. They come up usually fairly easily and plan fully expecting to go back down again giving zero fight in the process and have said that yo yo-yoing is their business plan.

You mean they refuse to bankrupt themselves , isn't that what many on here want RL clubs to do ? 

[Tommygilf]

17 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

You mean they refuse to bankrupt themselves , isn't that what many on here want RL clubs to do ? 

They refuse to compete and budget to finish 20th, not even 17th.

This year they've spent £50 million, bringing in nobody of significant quality or value, whilst selling a player for c. £35 million and allowing two of their stars to be out of contract this season. You can absolutely spend more than that in the Premier League - they choose to not spend because they plan to go down.

That isn't sustainable, fans won't put up with it long term.

[gingerjon]

9 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

fans won't put up with it long term.

Look at Norwich's average attendance each season for the past 20 odd years.

The fans turn up in exactly the same limited-by-capacity numbers each year and appear to always have done so.

Why would that change now?

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Look at Norwich's average attendance each season for the past 20 odd years.

The fans turn up in exactly the same limited-by-capacity numbers each year and appear to always have done so.

Why would that change now?

Because they are now actively following a yo yo policy. Unlike even 5/6 years ago where they at least attempted to stay up.

Fans start to get unhappy quickly - especially those who constantly see their side ridiculed by the rest of the footballing world. Repeated underinvestment will take its toll.

[CornwallRL]

On 28/12/2021 at 08:39, GUBRATS said:

Never a Dull season as a Canaries Fan 

At least they see plenty of goals, albeit at the wrong end. 50 league goals so far, but only 8 of their own.

[Josef K]

13 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Billy Gilmour from Chelsea does seem to be getting in for a lot of criticism at the moment.

They've sold one of their best players to a direct rival and spent a grand total of £50million (and only £15 million net at that). They've also not spent more than £10million on a single player that they have brought in, and two of their other top non loan players Pukki and Cantwell, are out of contract at the end of the season.

Quite simply, to stay up, that isn't good enough. I suspect however that they know that.

Yes Gilmour is coming in for loads of abuse. 

[Tommygilf]

2 minutes ago, Josef K said:

Yes Gilmour is coming in for loads of abuse. 

Somewhat inevitably really, which is a shame.

[JonM]

2 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Fans start to get unhappy quickly - especially those who constantly see their side ridiculed by the rest of the footballing world. Repeated underinvestment will take its toll.

Don't see it happening tbh. They *really* care about being better than Ipswich. When Norwich won 5-1 at Portman Road a couple of years ago, pretty much every road sign at the Norfolk border had a reference to it. The whole county supports the team. They love the fact that people like Delia & Stephen Fry own the club rather than dubious oligarchs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Anglian_derby

 

Edited December 30, 2021 by JonM