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On 27/12/2021 at 08:23, Tommygilf said:

Norwich really are the Leigh RLFC of football, what is the point of coming up every other year to be so bad?

What's the alternative?

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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On 28/12/2021 at 08:30, gingerjon said:

What's the alternative?

Close down Norwich ?

In all seriousness, the parachute payment model shouldn't be so attractive that clubs actively go into a Premier League season willing to accept relegation - and indeed doing so mulitple times. That business model shouldn't be one that is supported.

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A lot of good attendances accross the NPL divisions on the 27th ,looking forward to even more for the new years day games,growing up the boxing day/new year rugby league derby games were the highlight of the season with returning friends and family members making rare appearance at a game

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18 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Playing to stay up , a bit like Leeds in the middle 8s , twice 

They aren't though, that was my point. They come up usually fairly easily and plan fully expecting to go back down again giving zero fight in the process and have said that yo yo-yoing is their business plan.

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I think Norwich have established a long standing culture for playing good football and promoting youth where possible on top of trying to live within their means.

I think this dogma is great in principle but prevents them from being slightly more pragmatic like perhaps Burnley have been down the years in terms of playing style.

Put simply, if you try and out-football the good teams all of the time with worse players then you will take a few beatings in the Premier League that can destroy confidence in the game plan.

PS Occasionally a well coached team will emerge and defy gravity in the Premier League temporarily but it really is a tough gig for an inferior footballing side.

 

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14 hours ago, Josef K said:

Well played Leicester on beating Liverpool, it was a cracking win. 

klopp basically holding the door open for pep

did the bloke who invented the phrase "one hit wonder" invent anything else?

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2 hours ago, Josef K said:

I listened to The Scrimmage before on the BBC and the Norwich fan’s seem to be blaming poor recruitment and loan signings. 

Billy Gilmour from Chelsea does seem to be getting in for a lot of criticism at the moment.

They've sold one of their best players to a direct rival and spent a grand total of £50million (and only £15 million net at that). They've also not spent more than £10million on a single player that they have brought in, and two of their other top non loan players Pukki and Cantwell, are out of contract at the end of the season.

Quite simply, to stay up, that isn't good enough. I suspect however that they know that.

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6 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

They aren't though, that was my point. They come up usually fairly easily and plan fully expecting to go back down again giving zero fight in the process and have said that yo yo-yoing is their business plan.

You mean they refuse to bankrupt themselves , isn't that what many on here want RL clubs to do ? 

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17 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

You mean they refuse to bankrupt themselves , isn't that what many on here want RL clubs to do ? 

They refuse to compete and budget to finish 20th, not even 17th.

This year they've spent £50 million, bringing in nobody of significant quality or value, whilst selling a player for c. £35 million and allowing two of their stars to be out of contract this season. You can absolutely spend more than that in the Premier League - they choose to not spend because they plan to go down.

That isn't sustainable, fans won't put up with it long term.

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9 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

fans won't put up with it long term.

Look at Norwich's average attendance each season for the past 20 odd years.

The fans turn up in exactly the same limited-by-capacity numbers each year and appear to always have done so.

Why would that change now?

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Look at Norwich's average attendance each season for the past 20 odd years.

The fans turn up in exactly the same limited-by-capacity numbers each year and appear to always have done so.

Why would that change now?

Because they are now actively following a yo yo policy. Unlike even 5/6 years ago where they at least attempted to stay up.

Fans start to get unhappy quickly - especially those who constantly see their side ridiculed by the rest of the footballing world. Repeated underinvestment will take its toll.

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13 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Billy Gilmour from Chelsea does seem to be getting in for a lot of criticism at the moment.

They've sold one of their best players to a direct rival and spent a grand total of £50million (and only £15 million net at that). They've also not spent more than £10million on a single player that they have brought in, and two of their other top non loan players Pukki and Cantwell, are out of contract at the end of the season.

Quite simply, to stay up, that isn't good enough. I suspect however that they know that.

Yes Gilmour is coming in for loads of abuse. 

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2 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Fans start to get unhappy quickly - especially those who constantly see their side ridiculed by the rest of the footballing world. Repeated underinvestment will take its toll.

Don't see it happening tbh. They *really* care about being better than Ipswich. When Norwich won 5-1 at Portman Road a couple of years ago, pretty much every road sign at the Norfolk border had a reference to it. The whole county supports the team. They love the fact that people like Delia & Stephen Fry own the club rather than dubious oligarchs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Anglian_derby

 

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14 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

They refuse to compete and budget to finish 20th, not even 17th.

This year they've spent £50 million, bringing in nobody of significant quality or value, whilst selling a player for c. £35 million and allowing two of their stars to be out of contract this season. You can absolutely spend more than that in the Premier League - they choose to not spend because they plan to go down.

That isn't sustainable, fans won't put up with it long term.

Unlike Leigh who outspent other SL club's, even when in the Championship,

C'mon Tommy you know very well the system employed in RL does nothing to make the transition from the Championship to SL at all a smooth process in recruiting player's, by the time a club has secured promotion the shelves are almost bare and top dollar has to be paid for player's who are simply not worth it, I will go as far as suggest that Toulouse under the very same conditions will yo-yo this term, do you doubt that?

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Just now, Harry Stottle said:

Unlike Leigh who outspent other SL club's, even when in the Championship,

C'mon Tommy you know very well the system employed in RL does nothing to make the transition from the Championship to SL at all a smooth process in recruiting player's, by the time a club has secured promotion the shelves are almost bare and top dollar has to be paid for player's who are simply not worth it, I will go as far as suggest that Toulouse under the very same conditions will yo-yo this term, do you doubt that?

I totally agree the salary cap is a critical impediment to most clubs.

Perhaps the Leigh comparison was unfair, as at least Leigh try to stay up and are just not very good at it.

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