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Not every level of employee was involved in the walkout. TFL were willing to discuss but not on the terms the Unions and vice versa. That deadline was not impossible, if it was the only reson being was that there was no genuine effort to avoid industrial action. Your 'proper consultation' ignores the reality of the situation, all the unions involved have previous form in this area.

Are you still sticking with your point that the strike was not chiefly about money?

Yeah absolutely, it was about an employer trying to impose new contractual terms on their employees Edited by Phil

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Dave Brown, Independent:

 

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"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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We have to look at the broader picture with the tube strikes.

The Tory party and their pals want to destroy the unions and have since unions were first formed.

Like any right wing party they want to rule with an iron rod and don't want debate. They want to keep working people down.

The first thing a dictatorship does is try and destroy the unions. You only have to look at want happened under Hitler, Franco and Mussolini and the Latin American dictatorships.

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It's also one of the first thing communist countries do , but little chance of the UK being run by a communist central committee or run by a dictator.


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We have to look at the broader picture with the tube strikes.

The Tory party and their pals want to destroy the unions and have since unions were first formed.

Like any right wing party they want to rule with an iron rod and don't want debate. They want to keep working people down.

The first thing a dictatorship does is try and destroy the unions. You only have to look at want happened under Hitler, Franco and Mussolini and the Latin American dictatorships.

Good god

Aint it funny that a lot of the former Union leaders in the 70/80 and 90s had connections to communist party or the looney left(same thing)and it highlights by who liked this the above quote

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Good god

Aint it funny that a lot of the former Union leaders in the 70/80 and 90s had connections to communist party or the looney left(same thing)and it highlights by who liked this the above quote

Some Tory voters will be happy to have the wages reduced and their work hours increased to show their love for Dave and Gideon.

If they want their wages reduced and work hours increased good luck to them especially when the bills come up and interest rates rise next year as was predicted today.

I'm not a Tory voter so i won't be.

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Like any right wing party they want to rule with an iron rod and don't want debate. 

 

 

Sounds like they have met their equals in the unions who also want to rule with an iron rod and if they don't get their own way resort to striking rather than debate or discussion.

 

Both claim to be doing it for the good of the people.....

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Sounds like they have met their equals in the unions who also want to rule with an iron rod and if they don't get their own way resort to striking rather than debate or discussion.

 

Both claim to be doing it for the good of the people.....

 

You do know that TFL were equally guilty in this regard? As I was always told as a child when fighting with my siblings it takes two to cause an argument. 


"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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As I was always told as a child when fighting with my siblings it takes two to cause an argument. 

 

You haven't met my son, he could start an argument in a room by himself.

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We have to look at the broader picture with the tube strikes.

The Tory party and their pals want to destroy the unions and have since unions were first formed.

Like any ruling party they want to rule with an iron rod and don't want debate. They want to keep working people down.

The first thing a dictatorship does is try and destroy the unions. You only have to look at want happened under Hitler, Franco and Mussolini and the Latin American dictatorships.

I corrected your mistake. Could you tell me how the trade unions got on under various left wing authoritarian regimes; along the lines China, North Korea, Vietnam, Russia, and various Soviet states. As far as I am aware "tory" party has. Those countries would love to have their Trade Unions supported as well as the main right wing party in the UK have done.

 

In relation to the last call for a strike one of many that have been called for with little jusitification the situation was summed up decades ago  by a certain radical socialist when commenting on the main left wing party of the day "a lot of ordinary workmen who neither know nor care about anything but the interests of their respective trade unions and a comfortable life for themselves". That describes very well the reason for the last strike. When the labour began to loosen it's ties with the Unions it was noticeable how political control exercised by the Trade Unions over the government had significantly waned since the previous time there was a left wing labour government when they contributed significantly to damaging quality of life of and prosperity of the general public. The Unions were largely responsible for their Nemesis being elected into power and making Labour unelectable in the short and medium term. 

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I corrected your mistake. Could you tell me how the trade unions got on under various left wing authoritarian regimes; along the lines China, North Korea, Vietnam, Russia, and various Soviet states. As far as I am aware "tory" party has. Those countries would love to have their Trade Unions supported as well as the main right wing party in the UK have done.

 

In relation to the last call for a strike one of many that have been called for with little jusitification the situation was summed up decades ago  by a certain radical socialist when commenting on the main left wing party of the day "a lot of ordinary workmen who neither know nor care about anything but the interests of their respective trade unions and a comfortable life for themselves". That describes very well the reason for the last strike. When the labour began to loosen it's ties with the Unions it was noticeable how political control exercised by the Trade Unions over the government had significantly waned since the previous time there was a left wing labour government when they contributed significantly to damaging quality of life of and prosperity of the general public. The Unions were largely responsible for their Nemesis being elected into power and making Labour unelectable in the short and medium term. 

Dictatorships come in many forms Extreme right extreme left i agree.

One of the first thing a dictatoship does is to try and destroy the unions.

Dictatorships have a real fear of democracy.

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Dictatorships come in many forms Extreme right extreme left i agree.

 

Some even set themselves up as unions.

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So you think a train driver should get more than a doctor?

If so you should think bin men should get more than nurses

Paid what they are worth to society, if they stop working the city just about stops, they are worth their pay and it's not really a strike about pay.

 

Are you sure about this? What is a good chance? You'll have supporting evidence, of course.

A Maoist unionite?

Not yer actual gun I grant you, but the strike used as a weapon?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_grows_out_of_the_barrel_of_a_gun

Doesn't it average around 150+ deaths a year on the underground  x by the number of years a driver works, divided by the number of drivers = a good chance


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Some even set themselves up as unions.

Lets not forget that the Toiries set up another miners union.

I think it was called the Democratic mineworkers union or something like that.

It didn't last all that long i think I'm right in saying

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Paid what they are worth to society, if they stop working the city just about stops, they are worth their pay

That sums it up then a group of glorified well paid semi skilled bus drivers can hold the nations capital to ransom.

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That sums it up then a group of glorified well paid semi skilled bus drivers can hold the nations capital to ransom.

 

Held to ransom?  People used trains, buses, bikes and some even walked!   Life went on.

 

My London friends seemed to enjoy walking through parks and riding bikes to work...


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Paid what they are worth to society, if they stop working the city just about stops, they are worth their pay and it's not really a strike about pay.

 

Doesn't it average around 150+ deaths a year on the underground  x by the number of years a driver works, divided by the number of drivers = a good chance

 

Average 17.4 per year over the last ten years see FoI response here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/london_underground_deaths_and_fa

 

There are approx 3500 tube train drivers.

 

say they work for 30 years

 

I'd say very little chance. 


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That sums it up then a group of glorified well paid semi skilled bus drivers can hold the nations capital to ransom.

 

Yeah, good, in fact bloody fantastic!!!!


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That sums it up then a group of glorified well paid semi skilled bus drivers can hold the nations capital to ransom.

Too right. Only extremely well paid, Oxbridge educated, trustee, glorified gamblers from the City should be allowed to hold the nations capital to ransom.

Those tube drivers should know their place!

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risk and reward, risk and reward. 

 

ps.

 

how's your mortgage and pension going?


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risk and reward, risk and reward.

ps.

how's your mortgage and pension going?

And you can't apply your "risk and reward" mantra to tube and other train drivers? Each day they are responsible for the safety of 10s of thousands of people (the risk) for which they are rewarded a reasonable salary.


"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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risk and reward, risk and reward. 

 

ps.

 

how's your mortgage and pension going?

A standard tracker does better than every one of the multi-million pound per year fund managers when averaged at any time period over 5 years.  Plus a standard tracker charges me far, far less on administrative costs.  Where's the reward in paying for a champagne lifestyle for a leech that can't even consistently beat the market average?

 

For interest: I have all bar 10% of my pension funds invested in two trackers, one FTSE 100 and the other FTSE 250, and they're doing very well, certainly better than the industry average.  The other 10% is split into a 5% far east tracker and 5% sustainable investments tracker, the far east one is for when they eventually rebound and the sustainable investments one is a hope that society grows up a bit and these really take off.


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..and you a socialist!!  :no:  :no:

 

There is, as you know,  slightly more to the City than that. 


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..and you a socialist!!  :no:  :no:

 

There is, as you know,  slightly more to the City than that. 

It was in direct response to your comment on mortgages and pensions.  For my pension, a standard and very simple averaging calculation beats grossly overpaid fund managers year after year after year, they may win on occasional years but the long term average beats them, and as you are investing long term for your pension why would you ever go for a managed fund?  Leave that to those who like giving the fund managers gambling funds.

 

Also, I am a thorough socialist.  As my pension fund stands at my ripe old age of 43, I'm on course to have a comfortable retirement, backed up by my nice NHS pension and my army pension.  I also earn well into the higher tax band and have been for years and would happily see my taxes rise to pay for public services that I don't want to perform myself or are to raise the standard in society.  Some of us who earn a bit are also conscious of our duty to society:  from those who can to those who can't.


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It was in direct response to your comment on mortgages and pensions.  For my pension, a standard and very simple averaging calculation beats grossly overpaid fund managers year after year after year, they may win on occasional years but the long term average beats them, and as you are investing long term for your pension why would you ever go for a managed fund?  Leave that to those who like giving the fund managers gambling funds.

 

Also, I am a thorough socialist.  As my pension fund stands at my ripe old age of 43, I'm on course to have a comfortable retirement, backed up by my nice NHS pension and my army pension.  I also earn well into the higher tax band and have been for years and would happily see my taxes rise to pay for public services that I don't want to perform myself or are to raise the standard in society.  Some of us who earn a bit are also conscious of our duty to society:  from those who can to those who can't.

 

In that case I believe the insult of choice for sneering tories is "champagne socialist". I've always taken this to infer that if you have money you have no right to have a social conscience, which is, of course, nonsense. 


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