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6 minutes ago, Bearman said:

Usually I drink coffee. Just occasionally fancy a cup of tea. We used to do carp coffee and great tea.

Now it’s easy to find decent coffee but the standard of tea has dropped off. The problem is that espresso fountains do not boil the water.

Water has to be 100c or it does not make proper tea.

Water has to be 100 degrees C for teabags, to force flavour from what is close to being leaf-dust.

For loose-leaf tea, just like ground coffee, you need water that's just off boiling point. I click off the electric kettle and let it stand for about 20 seconds before pouring for coffee or loose-leaf tea. Different kettles will lose temperature at different rates, but that's a decent rule of thumb.

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Imagine this scenario: train in England delayed by 15 minutes because some foreigners were:

- refusIng to stop acting up by not shifting their luggage from the driver’s door when asked politely and being told it was unsafe.
- refusing to get up from reserved seats, even after the conductor politely tells them in their language that they’re on the wrong train and offering to let them stay on without charge but in another part of the train, even though it was a premium train and they had cheap tickets
- telling the English folk they should be grateful for tourists in their country. 
- telling everyone around loudly them what a filthy, scummy train it was and they’d been treated like vermin
- letting their children run up and down and trying to get to the emergency stop handle then saying “they’re only children”

Can you imagine that without at least one foul mouthed “f***ing foreigners” and some nasty scenes, with probably the police getting called  

Well, that happened this morning in Italy on the train from Sorrento to Herculaneum. Three separate foul mouthed English groups, one group mid-late 50s, one mid-40s and the other a young family. 

An older Italian gentleman who’d booked his seat was explaining very politely in broken English that he needed his seat and a foul harridan with a midlands accent would not move. It took 10 minutes to shift her as she thought by being an excrement that someone else would move. She then subjected the train to outrageous commentary on the filthy state of Italy and the trains until she got off at Pompeii  

Then southern accented older folk piled their luggage in front of the driver’s door and refused to move it. One swore in an outrageous manner at the conductor when she offered to move them herself to the luggage racks to solve it. 

The family with kids were the very worst stereotype disinterested parents and bratty  3-4 year olds. I think they had a soft south London accent. 

Vile people who need their passports permanently revoked and a thorough embarrassment to our country. 

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1 hour ago, ckn said:

Imagine this scenario: train in England delayed by 15 minutes because some foreigners were:

- refusIng to stop acting up by not shifting their luggage from the driver’s door when asked politely and being told it was unsafe.
- refusing to get up from reserved seats, even after the conductor politely tells them in their language that they’re on the wrong train and offering to let them stay on without charge but in another part of the train, even though it was a premium train and they had cheap tickets
- telling the English folk they should be grateful for tourists in their country. 
- telling everyone around loudly them what a filthy, scummy train it was and they’d been treated like vermin
- letting their children run up and down and trying to get to the emergency stop handle then saying “they’re only children”

Can you imagine that without at least one foul mouthed “f***ing foreigners” and some nasty scenes, with probably the police getting called  

Well, that happened this morning in Italy on the train from Sorrento to Herculaneum. Three separate foul mouthed English groups, one group mid-late 50s, one mid-40s and the other a young family. 

An older Italian gentleman who’d booked his seat was explaining very politely in broken English that he needed his seat and a foul harridan with a midlands accent would not move. It took 10 minutes to shift her as she thought by being an excrement that someone else would move. She then subjected the train to outrageous commentary on the filthy state of Italy and the trains until she got off at Pompeii  

Then southern accented older folk piled their luggage in front of the driver’s door and refused to move it. One swore in an outrageous manner at the conductor when she offered to move them herself to the luggage racks to solve it. 

The family with kids were the very worst stereotype disinterested parents and bratty  3-4 year olds. I think they had a soft south London accent. 

Vile people who need their passports permanently revoked and a thorough embarrassment to our country. 

I feel ashamed to be British when I see people from this country acting like that. Total and utter scumbags. 

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On 22/10/2019 at 21:02, The Hallucinating Goose said:

I feel ashamed to be British when I see people from this country acting like that. Total and utter scumbags. 

It tends not to happen in Greece. (I'm sure it does happen, just not as often) It could be because Greece is a bit further away and doesn't attract the yobs.

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12 minutes ago, tonyXIII said:

It tends not to happen in Greece. (I'm sure it does happen, just not as often) It could be because Greece is a bit further away and doesn't attract the yobs.

I'm sure it does, but only in resorts that cater for, and get, people who just want to get hammered and act like cretins (not Cretans). Is Faliraki still a sinkhole of debauched Club 18-30 style activities?

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1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

I'm sure it does, but only in resorts that cater for, and get, people who just want to get hammered and act like cretins (not Cretans). Is Faliraki still a sinkhole of debauched Club 18-30 style activities?

You're probably right.

I don't know about Faliraki nowadays as I live in Crete and Faliraki is in Rhodes, but 20 years ago it was effectively a ghetto for young British drunkards. Here on Crete, the equivalent is Malia and, though I think it has calmed down somewhat, I would be very unhappy if my 20 year old daughter chose Malia as a holiday destination. (I don't have a 20 year old daughter, btw)

Incidentally, I think Club 18-30 has ceased trading. Thank God!

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44 minutes ago, tonyXIII said:

Incidentally, I think Club 18-30 has ceased trading. Thank God!

They closed down almost exactly a year ago. And they were part of Thomas Cook by the end, which makes the concept's demise even more secure.

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10 hours ago, Futtocks said:

I'm sure it does, but only in resorts that cater for, and get, people who just want to get hammered and act like cretins (not Cretans). Is Faliraki still a sinkhole of debauched Club 18-30 style activities?

The problem is that Sorrento is most definitely not one of those places and the people I complained about didn’t look like them. Not a single England shirt in sight. They were just thwaites, one and all. 

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I was at a wedding in Patras. It was great. A very old local lady approached me with concern during the wedding. I seemed very nice, but she had seen the Englishmen on the islands, especially the wild Salford supporter on Crete. She was happy I was enjoying a beer, but asked me to promise I would not go crazy and drink all 330mL. 

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12 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

You got trains in Crete?

Sadly, no. There are no trains on this island.

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Yesterday I went to recce a place I am due to go for an interview on Thursday in Tunbridge Wells (High Brooms, North Farm Ind Est), and as I have a bus pass I took the 304 from Hasting to TW, it usually takes about 100-120 mins, when I arrived I had no idea which bus to take, so I asked a driver who was waiting to relieve someone. He told me the 282 will get me there. This bus is every 12 mins, so I thought I was on to a winner. I waited 40 mins for the bus to arrive, then, as usual, three turned up at the same time, all of the midi-sized vehicle. I got on one and went on a very non-magical mystery tour. as we passed High Brooms railway station for the second time, heading back towards TW, I got up and asked the driver if she was going to Lombard Rd, she said she was, as I turned round some old get had stolen my seat (the bus wasn't half full at this point). We got back into TW and I said to the driver that she had said she was going to Lombard Road, at which point she said, "I thought you said London Road". She then told me I should've got the 177, which goes to the Hospital. 

I was furious.

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45 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Interview confirmed as 1400

Fingers crossed.

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15 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

 

I was furious.

No point being furious if something goes wrong on your recce run.    That’s why you do a recce run - because it doesn’t matter when it goes wrong.    
 

Sounds to me like your preparations have done their job.  
 

Good luck on Thursday.  

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13 hours ago, Steve May said:

No point being furious if something goes wrong on your recce run.    That’s why you do a recce run - because it doesn’t matter when it goes wrong.    
 

Sounds to me like your preparations have done their job.  
 

Good luck on Thursday.  

Yeah, fair comment.

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On 27/10/2019 at 12:29, Bleep1673 said:

There was some smart ass ringing my door this morning at 06:00GMT, they did it twice, I do not get out of bed and answer the door at that time of a Sunday morning to anyone. If someone want to speak to me, do so at a civilised hour.

Our local police do that. The benefits of living in a rural and very Tory area is that we have police officers with time to spare. They'll occasionally patrol the streets during the night to check if cars are locked or showing valuables, if either is showing they'll wake you up to fix it.

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1 hour ago, ckn said:

Our local police do that. The benefits of living in a rural and very Tory area is that we have police officers with time to spare. They'll occasionally patrol the streets during the night to check if cars are locked or showing valuables, if either is showing they'll wake you up to fix it.

I live on the seafront of a very shi**y town, and I don't have a car

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3 hours ago, ckn said:

Our local police do that. The benefits of living in a rural and very Tory area is that we have police officers with time to spare. They'll occasionally patrol the streets during the night to check if cars are locked or showing valuables, if either is showing they'll wake you up to fix it.

We had a policeman knock at the door some time after midnight to tell us that our car was unlocked. My wife nearly called the police on him ? 

(We have been away for the weekend, leaving our front door wide open. Came home to find that the postman had popped the letters inside the house, but left the door wide open. Also left a car door open (not just unlocked) several times overnight. We live on one of the main roads through the village, not some quiet cul-de-sac.)

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On 22/10/2019 at 14:53, Futtocks said:

Water has to be 100 degrees C for teabags, to force flavour from what is close to being leaf-dust.

For loose-leaf tea, just like ground coffee, you need water that's just off boiling point. I click off the electric kettle and let it stand for about 20 seconds before pouring for coffee or loose-leaf tea. Different kettles will lose temperature at different rates, but that's a decent rule of thumb.

This is yet another one of those falsehoods that gets perpetuated.

Once again, you should NEVER pour boiling water - or just off boiling, on tea bags, this actually reduces the chances of the flavour coming out as you're scalding the tea. Boil the water then leave for a couple of minutes MINIMUM before pouring on the bag, 30 seconds in most people's kettles isn't going to reduce the temperature anywhere near enough.

Squeezing the bag produces more tannin's which causes the tea to be bitter or stronger if you like and some people prefer it that way.

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2 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

This is yet another one of those falsehoods that gets perpetuated.

Once again, you should NEVER pour boiling water - or just off boiling, on tea bags, this actually reduces the chances of the flavour coming out as you're scalding the tea. Boil the water then leave for a couple of minutes MINIMUM before pouring on the bag, 30 seconds in most people's kettles isn't going to reduce the temperature anywhere near enough.

Squeezing the bag produces more tannin's which causes the tea to be bitter or stronger if you like and some people prefer it that way.

A couple of minutes? Thirty seconds' wait off the boil in my kettle gets me down to about 85 degrees, which is good for coffee and loose black tea. A couple of minutes sees the temperature sink to under 75 degrees, and you're looking at a lukewarm drink after cold milk has been added, even if you drink it in a hurry.

NB: I only boil the amount I need, so a cupful of boiling water will cool quicker than a full kettle.

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