rlno1 259 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 Obviously the French captain is Puig Aubert but who is the other captain and team? Link to post Share on other sites
Toby Chopra 1,530 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 Caption says the British captain, which wiki says was Scotsman Dave Valentine. Does that seem accurate? Link to post Share on other sites
rlno1 259 Posted May 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 No, as Gt.Britain wore white and Dave Valentine was not a hooker (no.9). 1 Link to post Share on other sites
The 4 of Us 1,140 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 The game in Toulouse was 7 November 1954France 13 – 13 Great BritainStadium de Toulouse, Toulouse Dave Valentine was the captain but not quite sure he’s wearing number 9 as he was a backrower. 1 http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910 Link to post Share on other sites
Number 16 1,566 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 It appears to be Dave Valentine but the shirt number and even the shirt itself confuse matters. Back then the forwards shirt numbers didn't correspond with the modern day. Did GB play in dark jerseys? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Number 16 1,566 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) I think the caption is maybe wrong. Valentine also captained the Other Nationalities who played in France in '52 and' 53. They wore dark shirts. Edit: the design of the grandstand looks like the Stade Velodrome. If so, then 1952 vs ON. Edited May 3, 2020 by Number 16 2 Link to post Share on other sites
The 4 of Us 1,140 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 Caption may be correct. Good old “stock photo”? http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910 Link to post Share on other sites
Number 16 1,566 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, The 4 of Us said: Caption may be correct. Good old “stock photo”? True. Caption correct. Wrong photo. Link to post Share on other sites
rlno1 259 Posted May 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Number 16 said: I think the caption is maybe wrong. Valentine also captained the Other Nationalities who played in France in '52 and' 53. They wore dark shirts. Edit: the design of the grandstand looks like the Stade Velodrome. If so, then 1952 vs ON. That's what I thought also, I think the captain is Tom McKinney. Would this seem correct? Anyone know the referees name? Link to post Share on other sites
rlno1 259 Posted May 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Number 16 said: It appears to be Dave Valentine but the shirt number and even the shirt itself confuse matters. Back then the forwards shirt numbers didn't correspond with the modern day. Did GB play in dark jerseys? I checked the 1953 CC FInal programme and the forwards were numbered as today's are. Link to post Share on other sites
del capo 462 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, rlno1 said: That's what I thought also, I think the captain is Tom McKinney. Would this seem correct? Anyone know the referees name? His blazer badge says he's French. Link to post Share on other sites
Futtocks 16,655 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 When you look at Valentine with the trophy, his hair looks different to the man in the OP's post. I suspect rlno1's post suggesting Tom McKinney might be right. "Men will be proud to say 'I am a European'. We hope to see a day when men of every country will think as much of being a European as of being from their native land." (Winston Churchill) Link to post Share on other sites
rlno1 259 Posted May 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) That's what I thought. Here is a picture of McKinney: https://www.facebook.com/2052903584996623/photos/pcb.2289377378015908/2289375681349411/?type=3&theater Actually I notice that Valentine is in that team photo also. A good comparison. Edited May 3, 2020 by rlno1 Link to post Share on other sites
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon 1,348 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 Out of interest, rino1, from which publication does the picture of Pipette and AN Other come? Link to post Share on other sites
Number 16 1,566 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, rlno1 said: That's what I thought also, I think the captain is Tom McKinney. Would this seem correct? Anyone know the referees name? McKinney played in the 1952 game but according to Roger Grimes in his well-researched book Still Crowing the captain that day was Valentine. That said, McKinney was a hooker, so #9 fits. Maybe it is the Salford man. Link to post Share on other sites
Futtocks 16,655 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said: Out of interest, rino1, from which publication does the picture of Pipette and AN Other come? The title's at the top of the scanned page, so I assume it is this: https://livre.fnac.com/a5251686/Bernard-Pratviel-Immortel-pipette Edited May 3, 2020 by Futtocks 1 1 "Men will be proud to say 'I am a European'. We hope to see a day when men of every country will think as much of being a European as of being from their native land." (Winston Churchill) Link to post Share on other sites
Chronicler of Chiswick 1,042 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 Just looked it up in League Publication's book on the WC, and the ref was Cyril Appleton and our captain was Dave Valentine. Link to post Share on other sites
Gooleboy 1,659 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 hours ago, rlno1 said: Obviously the French captain is Puig Aubert but who is the other captain and team? Other Nationalities or Wales I would guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Number 16 1,566 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Chronicler of Chiswick said: Just looked it up in League Publication's book on the WC, and the ref was Cyril Appleton and our captain was Dave Valentine. The photo is not from the WC. Link to post Share on other sites
del capo 462 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, Number 16 said: The photo is not from the WC. But what a legend that Aubert. Took his nickname for his smoking habits even on the field and once famously took an up and under whilst playing against Wigan in a snowstorm one handed whilst not dropping his Gaulloise..... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Futtocks 16,655 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, del capo said: But what a legend that Aubert. Took his nickname for his smoking habits even on the field and once famously took an up and under whilst playing against Wigan in a snowstorm one handed whilst not dropping his Gaulloise..... Also, he switched codes after shinning down a rope of sheets from his bedroom, because his dad was a RU fan who had forbidden him from talking to those horrid, tax-paying League types and locked him up. 1 "Men will be proud to say 'I am a European'. We hope to see a day when men of every country will think as much of being a European as of being from their native land." (Winston Churchill) Link to post Share on other sites
POR 1,027 Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 6 hours ago, rlno1 said: That's what I thought also, I think the captain is Tom McKinney. Would this seem correct? Anyone know the referees name? Tom also captained combined nationalities against france in 54 Link to post Share on other sites
ken halsall 1 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 france played a combined nations team on 3jan 1954 at lyon. the combined nations hooker was a w.richardson and the ref was charlie appleton. the game was to celebrate the 20th anniversary french rugby league 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ATLANTISMAN 1,255 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 03/05/2020 at 12:57, Gooleboy said: Other Nationalities or Wales I would guess. Bon Jour Monsieur Roast Boeuf Would you like to partake in a little tipple of Ricard and a Gitane before we kick off? P Link to post Share on other sites
BadlyOverdrawnBoy 73 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 The no.9 is definitely a hooker - shin pads. Link to post Share on other sites
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