Saint Toppy 1,620 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 14 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: In our first team squad we have the following home grown players. Jack Walker Ash Handley Luke Briscoe Harry Newman Alex Sutcliffe Mik Oledski Tom Holroyd Cam Smith Liam Sutcliffe Sam Walters Jarrad O’Connor Liam Tindall Jack Broadbent Corey Hall You keep dreaming that they're top quality players ! Quote Adios EU - Global Britain here we come !!! Link to post Share on other sites
Davo5 5,097 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 14 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: You keep dreaming that they're top quality players ! I’d argue 4 are and a few others have the potential to be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DoubleD 6,147 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 19 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: In our first team squad we have the following home grown players. Jack Walker Ash Handley Luke Briscoe Harry Newman Alex Sutcliffe Mik Oledski Tom Holroyd Cam Smith Liam Sutcliffe Sam Walters Jarrad O’Connor Liam Tindall Jack Broadbent Corey Hall Luke Briscoe, Sam Walters, Jarrad O'Connor and Corey Hall aren't home grown. Briscoe came through Hull FC's academy Sam Walters and Jarrad O'Connor from Widnes Academy Corey Hall is from Sheffield and Leeds picked him up from Wigan's Academy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DoubleD 6,147 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Leeds recognised their youth setup wasn't good enough about 4-5 years ago. Who's to blame for that, I'm not sure but it was under Hetherington's stewardship. Since then, they have done a lot of work to improve the pathways and talent identification. Burrow was doing a great job coaching the 16's and laterally the Academy, whilst JJB was working on talent identification with the Foundation who have been doing sterling work in the surrounding area and have helped numerous new clubs setup to create a stronger conveyor belt of talent. These things don't improve overnight but we're now starting to see the fruits of the labour come through 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygilf 7,807 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, Davo5 said: I’d argue 4 are and a few others have the potential to be. Which isn't a bad return, and regardless the majority will have long careers in the game Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygilf 7,807 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: You keep dreaming that they're top quality players ! 2020 top try scorer, multiple grand final and cup winners, 2020 young player of the year too. I mean what more do you want? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygilf 7,807 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 6 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Leeds recognised their youth setup wasn't good enough about 4-5 years ago. Who's to blame for that, I'm not sure but it was under Hetherington's stewardship. Since then, they have done a lot of work to improve the pathways and talent identification. Burrow was doing a great job coaching the 16's and laterally the Academy, whilst JJB was working on talent identification with the Foundation who have been doing sterling work in the surrounding area and have helped numerous new clubs setup to create a stronger conveyor belt of talent. These things don't improve overnight but we're now starting to see the fruits of the labour come through I'll agree there was a problem with converting junior talent into truly elite level players, but plenty of solid super league professionals have come through Leeds over the past 10/15 years. Which arguably isn't a bad thing for a club like Leeds with the financial resources available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DoubleD 6,147 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: I'll agree there was a problem with converting junior talent into truly elite level players, but plenty of solid super league professionals have come through Leeds over the past 10/15 years. Which arguably isn't a bad thing for a club like Leeds with the financial resources available. Leeds don't want just solid SL professionals, they want top quality, otherwise what is the point of having an academy for a trophy chasing club like the Rhinos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Kevin Sinfield 2,373 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 21 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Luke Briscoe, Sam Walters, Jarrad O'Connor and Corey Hall aren't home grown. Briscoe came through Hull FC's academy Sam Walters and Jarrad O'Connor from Widnes Academy Corey Hall is from Sheffield and Leeds picked him up from Wigan's Academy They all played for Leeds Academy and are therefore home grown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hunsletgreenandgold 1,471 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 7 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: They all played for Leeds Academy and are therefore home grown That's a stretch - they're really not. Leeds don't need to be claiming players that they plucked out of others academies at 18 and claiming them as their own. Luke Gale on the other hand, despite him moving away from the Rhinos early in his career, should absolutely be on the list because he played all his Academy rugby at Leeds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygilf 7,807 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Leeds don't want just solid SL professionals, they want top quality, otherwise what is the point of having an academy for a trophy chasing club like the Rhinos Its a blatant fact of all team sports (especially ones with Salary caps) that you can't have teams full of super stars. Leeds have been expert at bucking that trend by keeping players at the club from a young age on relatively low wages that have allowed more money to be spent in other areas and latterly on other players. They are the backbone of any club and are what has kept Leeds challenging at the top for over 15 years. Yes having a full set of home grown super stars would be nice and there is always room for improvement (something Leeds have needed to do), but I think it needs to be put in perspective. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Toppy 1,620 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Tommygilf said: Its a blatant fact of all team sports (especially ones with Salary caps) that you can't have teams full of super stars. Leeds have been expert at bucking that trend by keeping players at the club from a young age on relatively low wages that have allowed more money to be spent in other areas and latterly on other players. They are the backbone of any club and are what has kept Leeds challenging at the top for over 15 years. Yes having a full set of home grown super stars would be nice and there is always room for improvement (something Leeds have needed to do), but I think it needs to be put in perspective. You mean aside for the years they were fighting for their very SL survival in the Middle 8's Quote Adios EU - Global Britain here we come !!! Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygilf 7,807 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Just now, Saint Toppy said: You mean aside for the years they were fighting for their very SL survival in the Middle 8's I know, imagine having a bad few years involve winning the Super League and the Challenge Cup! Setting those standards higher than everyone else does have its negatives! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Toppy 1,620 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: I know, imagine having a bad few years involve winning the Super League and the Challenge Cup! Setting those standards higher than everyone else does have its negatives! So not challenging at the top for 15 years then as claimed 1 Quote Adios EU - Global Britain here we come !!! Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygilf 7,807 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, Saint Toppy said: So not challenging at the top for 15 years then as claimed You're right I was wrong its actually at least 16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gooleboy 1,567 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: They all played for Leeds Academy and are therefore home grown You have got your Blue and Amber glasses on again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Toppy 1,620 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 18 hours ago, Tommygilf said: You're right I was wrong its actually at least 16 So still a decade shy of Saints then who have contested the play-off's and challenged at the top EVERY year of SL 1 Quote Adios EU - Global Britain here we come !!! Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Kevin Sinfield 2,373 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: So still a decade shy of Saints then who have contested the play-off's and challenged at the top EVERY year of SL Leeds have won the Super League Grand Final more times that any other club with their 8 SL trophies, Saints have won it 7 times, Wigan have won it 5 times. No other Super League club has won it. Enough said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygilf 7,807 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: So still a decade shy of Saints then who have contested the play-off's and challenged at the top EVERY year of SL I know but you've also spent the vast majority of those years "challenging" sad, upset and ultimately disappointed with the "at least we challenged" award. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Toppy 1,620 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Leeds have won the Super League Grand Final more times that any other club with their 8 SL trophies, Saints have won it 7 times, Wigan have won it 5 times. No other Super League club has won it. Enough said. I think you'll find Saints have 8 SL trophies in their cabinet just like Leeds ! Just because their first title in 1996 used the FPTP system and not the GF system, they were still the SL champions of that year and so have 8 SL titles. They've finished top of the league more than any other team, accumulated more league point than any other team, they're the only team to have contested every SL play-off series, and they've also scored more points and conceded fewer points than any other team in the SL era (averaged across the years of SL). You keep dreaming that Leeds are the greatest team of the SL era - but they clearly aren't ! 1 1 Quote Adios EU - Global Britain here we come !!! Link to post Share on other sites
OMEGA 1,048 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 On 05/01/2021 at 13:46, DoubleD said: Luke Briscoe, Sam Walters, Jarrad O'Connor and Corey Hall aren't home grown. Briscoe came through Hull FC's academy Sam Walters and Jarrad O'Connor from Widnes Academy Corey Hall is from Sheffield and Leeds picked him up from Wigan's Academy Corey Hall was a Wakefield Scholarship player who Wigan paid a fee for and took him to their Academy, Leeds then paid Wigan a fee after Corey asked for a release because of the travelling pressures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Davo5 5,097 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Didn’t this thread start off as a new signing from the NRL,seams a long time since said new signing was mentioned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M j M 6,120 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: I think you'll find Saints have 8 SL trophies in their cabinet just like Leeds ! Just because their first title in 1996 used the FPTP system and not the GF system, they were still the SL champions of that year and so have 8 SL titles. They've finished top of the league more than any other team, accumulated more league point than any other team, they're the only team to have contested every SL play-off series, and they've also scored more points and conceded fewer points than any other team in the SL era (averaged across the years of SL). You keep dreaming that Leeds are the greatest team of the SL era - but they clearly aren't ! Yeah the problem here is everyone knows the first couple of years were experimental with wacky stuff like Paris and Cumbrian and Oldham teams being included. The league didn't get serious until 1998. Anyway good to see you still valuing those five years of running up with your mysteriously broad definition of what counts as success. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Kevin Sinfield 2,373 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 4 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: I think you'll find Saints have 8 SL trophies in their cabinet just like Leeds ! Just because their first title in 1996 used the FPTP system and not the GF system, they were still the SL champions of that year and so have 8 SL titles. They've finished top of the league more than any other team, accumulated more league point than any other team, they're the only team to have contested every SL play-off series, and they've also scored more points and conceded fewer points than any other team in the SL era (averaged across the years of SL). You keep dreaming that Leeds are the greatest team of the SL era - but they clearly aren't ! So Saints have won 7 Grand Finals whereas Leeds have won 8 Grand Finals. Leeds’ victories were also with more home grown players than Saints were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Davo5 5,097 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, M j M said: Yeah the problem here is everyone knows the first couple of years were experimental with wacky stuff like Paris and Cumbrian and Oldham teams being included. The league didn't get serious until 1998. Anyway good to see you still valuing those five years of running up with your mysteriously broad definition of what counts as success. What exactly was wacky about Oldham & Workington being inSuperleague ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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