Saint Toppy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 14 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: In our first team squad we have the following home grown players. Jack Walker Ash Handley Luke Briscoe Harry Newman Alex Sutcliffe Mik Oledski Tom Holroyd Cam Smith Liam Sutcliffe Sam Walters Jarrad O’Connor Liam Tindall Jack Broadbent Corey Hall You keep dreaming that they're top quality players ! St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: You keep dreaming that they're top quality players ! I’d argue 4 are and a few others have the potential to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 19 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: In our first team squad we have the following home grown players. Jack Walker Ash Handley Luke Briscoe Harry Newman Alex Sutcliffe Mik Oledski Tom Holroyd Cam Smith Liam Sutcliffe Sam Walters Jarrad O’Connor Liam Tindall Jack Broadbent Corey Hall Luke Briscoe, Sam Walters, Jarrad O'Connor and Corey Hall aren't home grown. Briscoe came through Hull FC's academy Sam Walters and Jarrad O'Connor from Widnes Academy Corey Hall is from Sheffield and Leeds picked him up from Wigan's Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Leeds recognised their youth setup wasn't good enough about 4-5 years ago. Who's to blame for that, I'm not sure but it was under Hetherington's stewardship. Since then, they have done a lot of work to improve the pathways and talent identification. Burrow was doing a great job coaching the 16's and laterally the Academy, whilst JJB was working on talent identification with the Foundation who have been doing sterling work in the surrounding area and have helped numerous new clubs setup to create a stronger conveyor belt of talent. These things don't improve overnight but we're now starting to see the fruits of the labour come through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Davo5 said: I’d argue 4 are and a few others have the potential to be. Which isn't a bad return, and regardless the majority will have long careers in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: You keep dreaming that they're top quality players ! 2020 top try scorer, multiple grand final and cup winners, 2020 young player of the year too. I mean what more do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Leeds recognised their youth setup wasn't good enough about 4-5 years ago. Who's to blame for that, I'm not sure but it was under Hetherington's stewardship. Since then, they have done a lot of work to improve the pathways and talent identification. Burrow was doing a great job coaching the 16's and laterally the Academy, whilst JJB was working on talent identification with the Foundation who have been doing sterling work in the surrounding area and have helped numerous new clubs setup to create a stronger conveyor belt of talent. These things don't improve overnight but we're now starting to see the fruits of the labour come through I'll agree there was a problem with converting junior talent into truly elite level players, but plenty of solid super league professionals have come through Leeds over the past 10/15 years. Which arguably isn't a bad thing for a club like Leeds with the financial resources available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: I'll agree there was a problem with converting junior talent into truly elite level players, but plenty of solid super league professionals have come through Leeds over the past 10/15 years. Which arguably isn't a bad thing for a club like Leeds with the financial resources available. Leeds don't want just solid SL professionals, they want top quality, otherwise what is the point of having an academy for a trophy chasing club like the Rhinos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Luke Briscoe, Sam Walters, Jarrad O'Connor and Corey Hall aren't home grown. Briscoe came through Hull FC's academy Sam Walters and Jarrad O'Connor from Widnes Academy Corey Hall is from Sheffield and Leeds picked him up from Wigan's Academy They all played for Leeds Academy and are therefore home grown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: They all played for Leeds Academy and are therefore home grown That's a stretch - they're really not. Leeds don't need to be claiming players that they plucked out of others academies at 18 and claiming them as their own. Luke Gale on the other hand, despite him moving away from the Rhinos early in his career, should absolutely be on the list because he played all his Academy rugby at Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Leeds don't want just solid SL professionals, they want top quality, otherwise what is the point of having an academy for a trophy chasing club like the Rhinos Its a blatant fact of all team sports (especially ones with Salary caps) that you can't have teams full of super stars. Leeds have been expert at bucking that trend by keeping players at the club from a young age on relatively low wages that have allowed more money to be spent in other areas and latterly on other players. They are the backbone of any club and are what has kept Leeds challenging at the top for over 15 years. Yes having a full set of home grown super stars would be nice and there is always room for improvement (something Leeds have needed to do), but I think it needs to be put in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Tommygilf said: Its a blatant fact of all team sports (especially ones with Salary caps) that you can't have teams full of super stars. Leeds have been expert at bucking that trend by keeping players at the club from a young age on relatively low wages that have allowed more money to be spent in other areas and latterly on other players. They are the backbone of any club and are what has kept Leeds challenging at the top for over 15 years. Yes having a full set of home grown super stars would be nice and there is always room for improvement (something Leeds have needed to do), but I think it needs to be put in perspective. You mean aside for the years they were fighting for their very SL survival in the Middle 8's St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Saint Toppy said: You mean aside for the years they were fighting for their very SL survival in the Middle 8's I know, imagine having a bad few years involve winning the Super League and the Challenge Cup! Setting those standards higher than everyone else does have its negatives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: I know, imagine having a bad few years involve winning the Super League and the Challenge Cup! Setting those standards higher than everyone else does have its negatives! So not challenging at the top for 15 years then as claimed St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Saint Toppy said: So not challenging at the top for 15 years then as claimed You're right I was wrong its actually at least 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: They all played for Leeds Academy and are therefore home grown You have got your Blue and Amber glasses on again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 18 hours ago, Tommygilf said: You're right I was wrong its actually at least 16 So still a decade shy of Saints then who have contested the play-off's and challenged at the top EVERY year of SL St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: So still a decade shy of Saints then who have contested the play-off's and challenged at the top EVERY year of SL Leeds have won the Super League Grand Final more times that any other club with their 8 SL trophies, Saints have won it 7 times, Wigan have won it 5 times. No other Super League club has won it. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: So still a decade shy of Saints then who have contested the play-off's and challenged at the top EVERY year of SL I know but you've also spent the vast majority of those years "challenging" sad, upset and ultimately disappointed with the "at least we challenged" award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Leeds have won the Super League Grand Final more times that any other club with their 8 SL trophies, Saints have won it 7 times, Wigan have won it 5 times. No other Super League club has won it. Enough said. I think you'll find Saints have 8 SL trophies in their cabinet just like Leeds ! Just because their first title in 1996 used the FPTP system and not the GF system, they were still the SL champions of that year and so have 8 SL titles. They've finished top of the league more than any other team, accumulated more league point than any other team, they're the only team to have contested every SL play-off series, and they've also scored more points and conceded fewer points than any other team in the SL era (averaged across the years of SL). You keep dreaming that Leeds are the greatest team of the SL era - but they clearly aren't ! St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 13:46, DoubleD said: Luke Briscoe, Sam Walters, Jarrad O'Connor and Corey Hall aren't home grown. Briscoe came through Hull FC's academy Sam Walters and Jarrad O'Connor from Widnes Academy Corey Hall is from Sheffield and Leeds picked him up from Wigan's Academy Corey Hall was a Wakefield Scholarship player who Wigan paid a fee for and took him to their Academy, Leeds then paid Wigan a fee after Corey asked for a release because of the travelling pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Didn’t this thread start off as a new signing from the NRL,seams a long time since said new signing was mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: I think you'll find Saints have 8 SL trophies in their cabinet just like Leeds ! Just because their first title in 1996 used the FPTP system and not the GF system, they were still the SL champions of that year and so have 8 SL titles. They've finished top of the league more than any other team, accumulated more league point than any other team, they're the only team to have contested every SL play-off series, and they've also scored more points and conceded fewer points than any other team in the SL era (averaged across the years of SL). You keep dreaming that Leeds are the greatest team of the SL era - but they clearly aren't ! Yeah the problem here is everyone knows the first couple of years were experimental with wacky stuff like Paris and Cumbrian and Oldham teams being included. The league didn't get serious until 1998. Anyway good to see you still valuing those five years of running up with your mysteriously broad definition of what counts as success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: I think you'll find Saints have 8 SL trophies in their cabinet just like Leeds ! Just because their first title in 1996 used the FPTP system and not the GF system, they were still the SL champions of that year and so have 8 SL titles. They've finished top of the league more than any other team, accumulated more league point than any other team, they're the only team to have contested every SL play-off series, and they've also scored more points and conceded fewer points than any other team in the SL era (averaged across the years of SL). You keep dreaming that Leeds are the greatest team of the SL era - but they clearly aren't ! So Saints have won 7 Grand Finals whereas Leeds have won 8 Grand Finals. Leeds’ victories were also with more home grown players than Saints were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, M j M said: Yeah the problem here is everyone knows the first couple of years were experimental with wacky stuff like Paris and Cumbrian and Oldham teams being included. The league didn't get serious until 1998. Anyway good to see you still valuing those five years of running up with your mysteriously broad definition of what counts as success. What exactly was wacky about Oldham & Workington being inSuperleague ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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