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8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

What do you need to know about this season?

What the sides at the top of the Championship are playing for. How many promotion places are there? Will the bottom club in SL actually be relegated or not? That sort of thing.

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5 minutes ago, Scubby said:

What the sides at the top of the Championship are playing for. How many promotion places are there? Will the bottom club in SL actually be relegated or not? That sort of thing.

I don't think anything has changed so still 1 up 1 down this season.

Are they still doing the 2 x 10 thing in 2023? I'm not sure what they said about it

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6 minutes ago, Scubby said:

What the sides at the top of the Championship are playing for. How many promotion places are there? Will the bottom club in SL actually be relegated or not? That sort of thing.

We knew the competition rules at the start. 1 up 1 down.

Of course that could always change, a bit like the top division of RU did in Feb where they changed the rules.

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1 minute ago, JM2010 said:

I don't think anything has changed so still 1 up 1 down this season.

Are they still doing the 2 x 10 thing in 2023? I'm not sure what they said about it

There has been no official announcement either way to my knowledge. They will probably wait until October as they did with Toronto.

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Just now, Dave T said:

We knew the competition rules at the start. 1 up 1 down.

Of course that could always change, a bit like the top division of RU did in Feb where they changed the rules.

So you don't know what I want to know then. I'm not even 100% sure the competition rules ever officially stated that before this season. Only that Leigh would be invited to join Super League.

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6 minutes ago, Scubby said:

So you don't know what I want to know then. I'm not even 100% sure the competition rules ever officially stated that before this season. Only that Leigh would be invited to join Super League.

Ach - the final league tables have never been anything but a basis for negotiation in rugby league.

Lock Lane could be in $uperleague next year.

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9 minutes ago, Scubby said:

So you don't know what I want to know then. I'm not even 100% sure the competition rules ever officially stated that before this season. Only that Leigh would be invited to join Super League.

We know the comp rules - if that changes it will be announced. As is literally always the case.

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30/07/21

RFL Chief Executive, Ralph Rimmer, says:

“We are all – Super League Europe, clubs and the RFL – focused on the future. All of us involved in these discussions today want the very best for their clubs, players, fans and the whole game. 

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32 minutes ago, audois said:

30/07/21

RFL Chief Executive, Ralph Rimmer, says:

“We are all – Super League Europe, clubs and the RFL – focused on the future. All of us involved in these discussions today want the very best for their clubs, players, fans and the whole game. 

What a meaningless statement by the highest paid clerk in the world. If we are having 2 x 10 in 2023 clubs must know now so that they can budget according to ambition, ie Leigh would stay FT with P&R and build for SL 2023, which the recruitment has been so far but if 2023 will be the top 8 in the Championship plus the bottom 2 in SL then you dont stay FT and spend as little as you need to.

Has anyone seen anything about 2023 season?

 

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Going from 14 to 12 achieved nothing so why will going from 12 to 10 be any different,  local derbies were something to look forward too but when you play them  4 or 5 times a season they become just another fixture, 

 

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1 hour ago, audois said:

30/07/21

RFL Chief Executive, Ralph Rimmer, says:

“We are all – Super League Europe, clubs and the RFL – focused on the future. All of us involved in these discussions today want the very best for their clubs . 

Corrected it. 

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If London Broncos are playing at Plough Lane and Toulouse go up then we actually have enough for a decent 14 team SL. It is only protectionism from weaker teams preventing this. 

St, Wig

Leeds, Hud

Hull, Kr

Cat, Tou,

Cas, Wak

London, Wire

2 others out of a dozen (York, Newcastle, Leigh, Widnes, Fev, Salford, etc...) 

 

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4 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said:

You move clubs that are clubs in name only, plenty are just a squad of twenty players and nothing more, no ground, no fans, no academy, no reserves, no pathways, no community work, to a level more befitting of their level and not just continue pumping money into them through a misguided sense of loyalty and tradition. 

The clubs are not having money 'pumped' into them.The governing body,who do not micro- manage the clubs,yet allow undesirable owners,remove academy and reserve sides,distribute central funding - the majority of that funding obtained from a broadcast deal, they secured.

This is rugby league - we saw the loyalty and tradition evidently displayed by Messrs.Lenagan,McManus and Moran when they introduced Elstone.

That went well - and expensively!

Just as Super League hasn't improved the standard of the national side to defeat Australia,etc.the efforts of both the governing body/ies,and the owners of the elite clubs have failed to grow the sport,the player participation and the attendances.

The running of the clubs into the ground,when they have battled to overcome numbers of hurdles,isn't the answer. 

A bit of urgency into dealing with the sport wouldn't go amiss.

The number of clubs in the top tier doesn't help the whole sport question...

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4 hours ago, Dave T said:

We know the comp rules - if that changes it will be announced. As is literally always the case.

Some times a week before the end of the season, real useful that.

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

What do you refer to?

Workington Town a few seasons ago suddenly having to play a team from the league above to see who goes/stays up. Stadium decided on the toss of a coin. Utter farce.

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Just now, dkw said:

Workington Town a few seasons ago suddenly having to play a team from the league above to see who goes/stays up. Stadium decided on the toss of a coin. Utter farce.

What drove that mate? 

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

What drove that mate? 

Not a clue, no one knew, no one knows, no one will ever know. It was another great RFL initiative plucked out of their derriere....

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5 minutes ago, Dave T said:

What drove that mate? 

It was when they decided to add two teams to the Championship to make it a 14 team league IIRC. Whatever the exact reason it was decided to do it out of the blue when the season had almost been completed. Of the two teams due to be relegated to League 1 one was given a reprieve, the promotion protocol in League 1 was changed to facilitate adding two extra teams to Championship including as dkw posted, one team (Workington) playing a team from Championship for the final place in the Championship. The Championship club (Swinton IIRC) won and kept their place.

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14 minutes ago, wiganermike said:

It was when they decided to add two teams to the Championship to make it a 14 team league IIRC. Whatever the exact reason it was decided to do it out of the blue when the season had almost been completed. Of the two teams due to be relegated to League 1 one was given a reprieve, the promotion protocol in League 1 was changed to facilitate adding two extra teams to Championship including as dkw posted, one team (Workington) playing a team from Championship for the final place in the Championship. The Championship club (Swinton IIRC) won and kept their place.

Oh yeah I remember that. A lot of workington players had already booked holidays too. Since then league 1 has always been an afterthought 

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2 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said:

The clubs are not having money 'pumped' into them.The governing body,who do not micro- manage the clubs,yet allow undesirable owners,remove academy and reserve sides,distribute central funding - the majority of that funding obtained from a broadcast deal, they secured.

This is rugby league - we saw the loyalty and tradition evidently displayed by Messrs.Lenagan,McManus and Moran when they introduced Elstone.

That went well - and expensively!

Just as Super League hasn't improved the standard of the national side to defeat Australia,etc.the efforts of both the governing body/ies,and the owners of the elite clubs have failed to grow the sport,the player participation and the attendances.

The running of the clubs into the ground,when they have battled to overcome numbers of hurdles,isn't the answer. 

A bit of urgency into dealing with the sport wouldn't go amiss.

The number of clubs in the top tier doesn't help the whole sport question...

Whataboutism is not the answer either. McManus has moved St Helens into the 21st century and a 365 day income generator, the same for Moran, too. We need more like that and less West Yorkshire nobodies (evening Mr Carter) who belittle people for needing a second source of income to merely survive.

The £75,000 annual metaphorical oxygen tank needs switching off for plenty. It’s a harsh reality of the world and business. Sentiment means nothing in the real world but it reins supreme in Rugby League. Give extra money to clubs who actually serve a purpose, your West Wales’, London Skolars’ and Coventry’s (isn’t their geographic location interesting) of this world and not continuing to let other clubs get away with being on life support each year. 

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So from what I gather nobody has a clue what 2023 will look like, making 2022 a complete farce.

why would any championship club spend any more than the bare minimum if they can’t get promoted due to 2 x 10’s coming in, but no, not a vibrant comp with 10 FT clubs in it but an underfunded PT comp the winners of which have an even bigger mountain to climb and the relegated into it moving to PT unless you have a Davy to fund you for a season as the only FT club in a PT comp

The sport as almost lost me over this last straw, wonder if TW fancy joining a new comp

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12 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

So from what I gather nobody has a clue what 2023 will look like, making 2022 a complete farce.

why would any championship club spend any more than the bare minimum if they can’t get promoted due to 2 x 10’s coming in, but no, not a vibrant comp with 10 FT clubs in it but an underfunded PT comp the winners of which have an even bigger mountain to climb and the relegated into it moving to PT unless you have a Davy to fund you for a season as the only FT club in a PT comp

The sport as almost lost me over this last straw, wonder if TW fancy joining a new comp

Yep attendances are going to go through the roof in a 2022 Championship when no one knows what is happening.

But there is one man, who could blow the whistle.

Considering Mr Beaumont must have been in attendance as the report stated all 12 SL clubs were present and considering his club have as much chance of staying up as I have of courting Elle Macpherson, he should come out and tell us all what transpired at the meeting, name names, give reasons, and tell us all where it has been left and in his opinion with how the discussions went what he expects will be happening in '23.

It could be construed as a £600K shortfall information leak that was withheld by the very same clubs this season.

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1 hour ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Whataboutism is not the answer either. McManus has moved St Helens into the 21st century and a 365 day income generator, the same for Moran, too. We need more like that and less West Yorkshire nobodies (evening Mr Carter) who belittle people for needing a second source of income to merely survive.

The £75,000 annual metaphorical oxygen tank needs switching off for plenty. It’s a harsh reality of the world and business. Sentiment means nothing in the real world but it reins supreme in Rugby League. Give extra money to clubs who actually serve a purpose, your West Wales’, London Skolars’ and Coventry’s (isn’t their geographic location interesting) of this world and not continuing to let other clubs get away with being on life support each year. 

Snobbish elitism won't save the sport,either.

Well done Moran for having political support,and Tesco to help out a club with such a long history,and McManus can also thank Tesco - if they aren't too inferior.

The 3 clubs you mention,after Whataboutism,are relatively new and have offered opportunities to hundreds of young players.

They,like supporters,academy coaches,et al seem to be finding alternatives to the sport.

You elite followers will enjoy your ever decreasing sport.

Good luck with your life support,when an American owned television company also finds an alternative. 

Sentiment reigns supreme in rugby league? I reckon Elstone may think differently. 

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