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3 minutes ago, Niels said:

I want to keep P and R.

Yet I really enjoyed the mini tournament in Turkey at the weekend and I try to interest people. 

At the moment the focus is on France.  However, there are 44 countries in Europe to choose to encourage.

 

 

Yes but those countries are lightyears away.  We are on the cusp of a huge breakthrough for the sport in France so It makes sense to focus where the roi can be massive. 

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3 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Tbf with this stupid 2 10's I would settle for maintaining the structure.  It's less terrible than the alternative we are seemingly moving towards. 

Agreed, a 10 team top tier is the worst idea that SL/RFL have had in a while, against some serious competition. 

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1 minute ago, Eddie said:

Agreed, a 10 team top tier is the worst idea that SL/RFL have had in a while, against some serious competition. 

The only agreement we get on this board is people think its awful. Just praying the numbers and income we see from France next season puts that to bed. 

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10 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

The only agreement we get on this board is people think its awful. Just praying the numbers and income we see from France next season puts that to bed. 

Why would it though, if Toulouse finish in the top 10 it will still happen, I doubt the big 5 (excl Catalans) care who else is sharing the money as long as they’re getting a bigger cut. 

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21 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Tbf with this stupid 2 10's I would settle for maintaining the structure.  It's less terrible than the alternative we are seemingly moving towards. 

on that we agree.

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1 minute ago, Eddie said:

Why would it though, if Toulouse finish in the top 10 it will still happen, I doubt the big 5 (excl Catalans) care who else is sharing the money as long as they’re getting a bigger cut. 

I think Leeds Wigan Saints at a minimum are going to see it as strengthening the SL brand and future revenue for them. 

Its more the Wakefields, Cas and and Huddersfields who can see the increase in competition from Toulouse, Newcastle and others is likely gong to leave them without a chair that makes them likely to support a deal that massively overpays champ clubs. 

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Why are we talking about capping the amount of English teams in an English league (its clearly not European) with a British TV supplier?

Why aren’t we talking about capping the amount of french teams until they can contribute financially to the pot and bring in a French TV deal? Sponsorship, brands etc

We are doing a great job of resurrecting RL in France and hopefully it will strengthen their national team and nurture their kids but call me old fashioned it’s not helping England/Great Britain get any closer to the Aussies/Kiwi’s we are further away than ever.

When are the french RL authorities going stand on their own 2 feet ala Maurice Lyndsey and pioneer their own vision and future and radically professionalise their own game? There is certainly no incentive for them to do it at the minute as we spoon feed them in a bid to call it a so called Super League.

 

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13 hours ago, LaneCoveTiger said:

I like that idea on the condition that they have to field a minimum amount of French players in their match day squad. It would basically mean France have a locked in percentage of clubs in Super League and would assist their chances of getting a paid TV deal.

This would only be acceptable if the same applied to English clubs. Personally I don’t agree it’s the right way to go.

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4 minutes ago, binosh said:

Why are we talking about capping the amount of English teams in an English league (its clearly not European) with a British TV supplier?

Why aren’t we talking about capping the amount of french teams until they can contribute financially to the pot and bring in a French TV deal? Sponsorship, brands etc

We are doing a great job of resurrecting RL in France and hopefully it will strengthen their national team and nurture their kids but call me old fashioned it’s not helping England/Great Britain get any closer to the Aussies/Kiwi’s we are further away than ever.

When are the french RL authorities going stand on their own 2 feet ala Maurice Lyndsey and pioneer their own vision and future and radically professionalise their own game? There is certainly no incentive for them to do it at the minute as we spoon feed them in a bid to call it a so called Super League.

 

Because it doesn’t matter if we have 10 British teams or 12 British teams in Super League, the sky tv deal will have the same value, replacing Catalans and Toulouse with 2 Championship teams would add £0 to the value of the next tv deal. 

With a guarantee of 2 French clubs for the next x number of years, we are in a position where we can negotiate a French tv deal and add to the Super League tv money pot. 

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I feel like those advocating straight P&R with no exceptions aren't thinking enough about the families of Ryan Brierley, Adam Sidlow, Joe Mellor etc and how disruptive it must be to have to move house to join a new promoted club every year.

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I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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13 minutes ago, binosh said:

Why are we talking about capping the amount of English teams in an English league (its clearly not European) with a British TV supplier?

Why aren’t we talking about capping the amount of french teams until they can contribute financially to the pot and bring in a French TV deal? Sponsorship, brands etc

We are doing a great job of resurrecting RL in France and hopefully it will strengthen their national team and nurture their kids but call me old fashioned it’s not helping England/Great Britain get any closer to the Aussies/Kiwi’s we are further away than ever.

When are the french RL authorities going stand on their own 2 feet ala Maurice Lyndsey and pioneer their own vision and future and radically professionalise their own game? There is certainly no incentive for them to do it at the minute as we spoon feed them in a bid to call it a so called Super League.

 

Because that is backwards.  There will only be a tv in France when French TV and sponsors can guarantee a minimum viable product,  which is 2 french teams in SL every season. 

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7 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Because it doesn’t matter if we have 10 British teams or 12 British teams in Super League, the sky tv deal will have the same value, replacing Catalans and Toulouse with 2 Championship teams would add £0 to the value of the next tv deal. 

With a guarantee of 2 French clubs for the next x number of years, we are in a position where we can negotiate a French tv deal and add to the Super League tv money pot. 

Unless I’ve missed it how do we know the Sky deal will be the same no matter how many English teams? Sky have clearly told us to go away and do something different not just add french teams surely?

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33 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Because that is backwards.  There will only be a tv in France when French TV and sponsors can guarantee a minimum viable product,  which is 2 french teams in SL every season. 

Incorrect. There will only be a TV deal when somebody in France grabs hold of the Elite 1 and makes it credible enough for the french to be interested in a sport played in their country, very similar to how we need to get roots down, funding, backers and a vision in places like York, Newcastle, London & Wales.

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15 minutes ago, binosh said:

Unless I’ve missed it how do we know the Sky deal will be the same no matter how many English teams? Sky have clearly told us to go away and do something different not just add french teams surely?

At various times we've had 13 English teams and 11 English teams, indeed the TV deal actually went up when we had 11. We have also had 10 English teams and there was certainly no public criticism from Sky or concern shown. Based on the last couple of decades I think its fair to say that Sky arent too concerned if it is 10 or 12 as long as the product on display is of a high enough standard.

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29 minutes ago, binosh said:

Incorrect. There will only be a TV deal when somebody in France grabs hold of the Elite 1 and makes it credible enough for the french to be interested in a sport played in their country, very similar to how we need to get roots down, funding, backers and a vision in places like York, Newcastle, London & Wales.

Well we are going to find out who is right in the next few years. 

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We do need to make sure we don't become obsessed with one metric. 

If we end up with a £5m French deal that is great, but if we take the eye off the ball we could end up with 8 British top flight teams versus 16 25 years ago, and a 2nd and 3rd tier with no funding putting the clubs below that top 8 in a really weak position. 

That may or may not be a good thing, but we can't sleepwalk into that. 

Development of overseas nations should have an outcome that sees a stronger UK game. If we weaken the English game, that is out and out failure. 

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@Harry Stottle, no need to get your knickers all knotted, you can still go to your games 😂 I expect you protested Catalans being ringfenced in SL at the beginning by not attending their fixtures.

The justification surrounding the ringfencing and allowing a maximum of 10 English SL clubs has already been made. You have raised the obvious downsides to which had all entered my mind before I went on to suggest the idea anyway. Guess what… despite those concerns, I still think it’s a good idea.

You can consider the suggestion as abhorrent as you like and throw around any other hyperbole of concern you have against the idea, but, it’s not going to stop the idea from having serious merits.

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2 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

@Harry Stottle, no need to get your knickers all knotted, you can still go to your games 😂 I expect you protested Catalans being ringfenced in SL at the beginning by not attending their fixtures.

The justification surrounding the ringfencing and allowing a maximum of 10 English SL clubs has already been made. You have raised the obvious downsides to which had all entered my mind before I went on to suggest the idea anyway. Guess what… despite those concerns, I still think it’s a good idea.

You can consider the suggestion as abhorrent as you like and throw around any other hyperbole of concern you have against the idea, but, it’s not going to stop the idea from having serious merits.

Knickers pressed and perfectly flat SP,

I have protested since Huddersfield were relegation exempt and will continue to do so whoever the club is, it is not on my part a witch hunt against the French clubs it is against the system you suggest the rules should be the same pertaining to all clubs competing for the same prize at the top or fighting jeopardy at the bottom.

 Anyways, I can take it from you guy's on here who Champion ringfencing, my real concern would be if those who make the decisions thought likewise, somehow I doubt that they will even if you insist it has serious merits.

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