DOM YOUNG

[MatthewWoody]

I think he'll stay in league thanks to the NRL

[Alan Robertson]

15 hours ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Soft as putty but offensively skilful. 

 

I'm not doubting that you know the lad but surely you can't play in the NRL (or SL) - in any position - if you are as 'soft as putty'. I'm happy to be wrong but it doesn't seem plausible.

[JohnM]

4 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Totally correct there is 100% NOTHING in the IMG proposals that will accomplish more money coming in.

Only way forward as i keep banging on about is a brand new investment backed league and a tie up with the NRL.

The money is out there just has to be sourced with the right management structures in place NRL EUROPE will be a reality down the line.

Paul

This money that is out there. Where can I get some?

[Maximus Decimus]

If he has no aversion to Union and becomes a real top prospect there's a high probability he'll move because of the financial difference.

[SUPERSTUD]

1 hour ago, Alan Robertson said:

I'm not doubting that you know the lad but surely you can't play in the NRL (or SL) - in any position - if you are as 'soft as putty'. I'm happy to be wrong but it doesn't seem plausible.

When I say soft as putty I mean for his size. I agree that any player who takes to the field has an element of toughness about them. Anyway loads of people could tell you about Dom and his junior career. All water under the bridge now. Got his lucky break and riding on the crest of a wave at the moment. Just sit back and see what happens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dunbar]

I think Young will stay on the wing now he has made a solid start there in the NRL and internationally.  This is because wing has become such a critical position in the modern game with the quality of carries on plays 1, 2 and 3 being so important to how well a team creates field position and ends sets on attacking plays/kicks.

But as a player, I think his best position could be centre.  He has good hands for a big man and would be clearly very dangerous running the ball.

[SUPERSTUD]

5 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I think Young will stay on the wing now he has made a solid start there in the NRL and internationally.  This is because wing has become such a critical position in the modern game with the quality of carries on plays 1, 2 and 3 being so important to how well a team creates field position and ends sets on attacking plays/kicks.

But as a player, I think his best position could be centre.  He has good hands for a big man and would be clearly very dangerous running the ball.

Centre right now or do you mean in the future? For me centre is probably the hardest position to defend. Dom not defensively ready yet.

[Dunbar]

1 minute ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Centre right now or do you mean in the future? For me centre is probably the hardest position to defend. Dom not defensively ready yet.

Yes, in the future.

[SUPERSTUD]

Just now, Dunbar said:

Yes, in the future.

Yeah I certainly get where you are coming from. He could end up being devastating at centre in the future. I would love to see the coaching staff work him really hard on his defensive skills. The good thing is they are things that can easily be rectified. 

[Dunbar]

Young played very few games in the centre in NSW Cup in 2021 before he broke into the first team on the wing.

But you can see from even these short highlights the skill he has for a big mam with a couple of superb passes out the back for tries.  

 

 

[SUPERSTUD]

12 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Young played very few games in the centre in NSW Cup in 2021 before he broke into the first team on the wing.

But you can see from even these short highlights the skill he has for a big mam with a couple of superb passes out the back for tries.  

 

 

Yeah good stuff and still loads of improvement to come I hope. Obviously those are offensive highlights. Imagine how good he could be he if gets the D aspect of his game sorted.

 

[Futtocks]

1 hour ago, Maximus Decimus said:

If he has no aversion to Union and becomes a real top prospect there's a high probability he'll move because of the financial difference.

Maybe French RU or Japanese RU could compete with what he'll be getting in the NRL when his contract is next renewed.

The English game is behind that even now when they are living beyond their means and pretending the crisis hasn't already taken one casualty, with another coming soon. When reality bites, they'll be even less able to make big offers.

[Madrileño]

13 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

 

The English game is behind that even now when they are living beyond their means and pretending the crisis hasn't already taken one casualty, with another coming soon. When reality bites, they'll be even less able to make big offers.

The difference  England ru can offer is the international game.

As they pay 25k per game plus a Range Rover courtesy of the sponsors, that could be a very attractive differentiator.  As well as the se ondary sponsorship opportunities that playing union for England offers. Add a club salary and quite often it will blow rugby league offers out of the water.

[JohnM]

My take on this: Play it cool. Let him speak for himself. Don't build him up, only to demolish him when he has an off day.

[JohnM]

2 minutes ago, Madrileño said:

The difference  England ru can offer is the international game.

As they pay 25k per game plus a Range Rover courtesy of the sponsors, that could be a very attractive differentiator.  As well as the se ondary sponsorship opportunities that playing union for England offers. Add a club salary and quite often it will blow rugby league offers out of the water.

Who is going to tell him how much he's missing out by playing NRL instead of getting his feet in the twickers trough?  No one on here, I trust.

[Futtocks]

16 minutes ago, Madrileño said:

The difference  England ru can offer is the international game.

As they pay 25k per game plus a Range Rover courtesy of the sponsors, that could be a very attractive differentiator.  As well as the se ondary sponsorship opportunities that playing union for England offers. Add a club salary and quite often it will blow rugby league offers out of the water.

Plus the chance to be relentlessly scapegoated the moment England's fortunes take a dip, regardless of whose fault that failure is?

[Stuff Smith]

14 minutes ago, Madrileño said:

The difference  England ru can offer is the international game.

As they pay 25k per game plus a Range Rover courtesy of the sponsors, that could be a very attractive differentiator.  As well as the se ondary sponsorship opportunities that playing union for England offers. Add a club salary and quite often it will blow rugby league offers out of the water.

Also he'll get the chance to be vilified as the worst Rugby Union player ever. Or a least make their top five.

Notice any kind of pattern in this list? https://www.ruck.co.uk/englands-worst-ever-xv-has-been-selected-including-sam-burgess/

[Dunbar]

On 07/10/2022 at 21:50, WN83 said:

Early days but it’s rare for us to produce backs of that size and athleticism. The last guy I can remember off the top of my head who was 6ft 5+, 16 stones + and quick (but not as quick as Young) was Karl Pryce but unlike Pryce, Young doesn’t look shy in carrying the ball with aggression. 

Karl Pryce is a good comparison.  He too was 6' 7" and heavier built.  Maybe not as fast but certainly not slow.

I remember watching him for the first time for the England Academy under 17's against the Australian Institute of Sport. It was under 17's but the Aussies could have been under 11's based on how they were unable to physically match Pryce.

He really could have been anything... but as you say, you just couldn't see him carrying the ball into the teeth of an NRL defence 15 or so times a game.

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

I think Young will stay on the wing now he has made a solid start there in the NRL and internationally.  This is because wing has become such a critical position in the modern game with the quality of carries on plays 1, 2 and 3 being so important to how well a team creates field position and ends sets on attacking plays/kicks.

But as a player, I think his best position could be centre.  He has good hands for a big man and would be clearly very dangerous running the ball.

How about his organisational capabilities in organising the defensive line pulling it across or closing it, dropping his winger back or bringing him up to close down the opposition, there is a hell of a lot more to playing centre than just running with and passing the ball, a lot of skills that are overlooked these days and which very few centres are capable of performing very well.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Harry Stottle

[Dunbar]

17 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

How about his organisational capabilities in organising the defensive line pulling it across or closing it, dropping his winger back or bringing him up to close down the opposition, there is a hell of a lot more to playing centre than just running with and passing the ball, a lot of skills that are overlooked these days and which very few centres are capable of performing very well.

Are you suggesting he cannot learn these skills or gain this experience.  If so, on what basis?

[SUPERSTUD]

Think about it. Why are we so lacking in quality centre’s? Very very difficult position to master. 

[Loiner]

On 07/10/2022 at 21:18, Futtocks said:

Or Leroy "Five Tries in a Cup Final" Rivett, who very soon ended up going through more clubs than a Canadian seal-hunter.

It was only 4, Briscoe got 5.

[Loiner]

On 07/10/2022 at 21:04, ATLANTISMAN said:

This kid is the nearest thing we have ever had since the days of Ellery Hanley and Martin Offiah to have a player in the nation conciseness.

The RFL should be marketing the hell out of him he has the talent looks everything:)

 

Paul

What about Welsby? 

[Loiner]

On 07/10/2022 at 21:50, WN83 said:

Early days but it’s rare for us to produce backs of that size and athleticism. The last guy I can remember off the top of my head who was 6ft 5+, 16 stones + and quick (but not as quick as Young) was Karl Pryce but unlike Pryce, Young doesn’t look shy in carrying the ball with aggression. 
 

I’ve been saying in the build up to this comp, I just think some players need the opportunity the World Cup brings to really build their reputations and give us confidence they’re top level quality. I think we’ve seen tonight that guys like Welsby and Young can do that. Other guys like Batchelor, Lees, Oledzki and Pearce Paul can do the same. 
 

Im not expecting us to win the World Cup but I do feel we can have a positive tournament that sets the side up for the next few years and beyond. 

Karl pryce had the heart the size of a of a gold fishes brain.

[Damien]

6 hours ago, Madrileño said:

The difference  England ru can offer is the international game.

As they pay 25k per game plus a Range Rover courtesy of the sponsors, that could be a very attractive differentiator.  As well as the se ondary sponsorship opportunities that playing union for England offers. Add a club salary and quite often it will blow rugby league offers out of the water.

This seems a biased view. An England International only gets 15k a game.

The salary cap in the NRL is already higher than the RU Premiership and RL also has the advantage of smaller squads and less need for specialist positions which means that salary cap is also split less ways. 

In addition to that the pay in RU is going down and the English club game is up the creek without a paddle with clubs going bust. In contrast the NRL salary cap is raising by a minimum of $1.1 million next year with further increases set for the following years of the TV deal.

The average wage of a RU Premiership winger is £122k. A top 5 NRL winger earns £260k, even wingers 16-20 earn £160k.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Damien