Vegas Again/2025 and WCC

[philipw]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

I have to assume they are not all on the same day, surely? 

You’d also have to think that at least one, possibly two games wouldn’t be at Allegiant. I can’t imagine that hiring it for two days would be particularly cheap. 

[ATLANTISMAN]

Complete waste of time 4 matches.

To be honest it would put me off going.

It's NRL only for me that's the attraction.

 

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54 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Complete waste of time 4 matches.

To be honest it would put me off going.

It's NRL only for me that's the attraction.

 

So why not go and just watch the NRL games?

[Dave T]

1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Complete waste of time 4 matches.

To be honest it would put me off going.

It's NRL only for me that's the attraction.

 

I'm the same witg restaurants. It really pees me off when their menus offer three courses but I don't fancy a starter. I just stay at home and hope they close down. 

[Sports Prophet]

2 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Complete waste of time 4 matches.

To be honest it would put me off going.

It's NRL only for me that's the attraction.

 

 

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

I'm the same witg restaurants. It really pees me off when their menus offer three courses but I don't fancy a starter. I just stay at home and hope they close down. 

Funny analogy Dave but I do sympathise with Atlantisman somewhat. Using your restaurant analogy, a large menu (ala Westherspoons) with a wide offering of cuisines tells me that they are not specialised and the food would be drab.

An event is an event. Keep it specialised. Two NRL games (or per my post above, say Kangaroos v GB Lions + Indigenous v Māori) and put other features on around the city on other days.

[frank]

9 hours ago, Dave T said:

It does rather feel like the NRL are losing confidence in this event to be honest. 

Just the opposite Dave. Showing  the  spread of League with teams from Aussie the UK and NZ , more of an international appeal the game has instead of those in the States thinking it's just confined to Aussie.

[Sports Prophet]

10 hours ago, Dave T said:

It does rather feel like the NRL are losing confidence in this event to be honest. 

I think it’s a bit premature to be making that assumption Dave

[Damien]

1 hour ago, frank said:

Just the opposite Dave. Showing  the  spread of League with teams from Aussie the UK and NZ , more of an international appeal the game has instead of those in the States thinking it's just confined to Aussie.

That wasn't the point of it though and its never been stated as the case. This is really only now coming about after club after club have said they weren't interested.

I'm all for spreading the word and showcasing the international side of the game but if it was about that it would be quite different.

[Odsal Outlaw]

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[Odsal Outlaw]

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[Odsal Outlaw]

11 hours ago, Dave T said:

I have to assume they are not all on the same day, surely? 

Fair point! That would make more sense … but this is RL Dave, we’ve just played Eng v France as a curtain raiser to Tou v Fev

[Click]

16 hours ago, BristolDevonCharlie said:

When did they last do that?

Yes, sure they will likely beat them, but England are alright. 

According to Wikipedia England Women have played Australia 3 times and lost 3 times with scoring 10 points and conceding 74. 

England Women have also played NZ 6 times, lost 6 times having scored 42 points and conceded 204. 

The NRLW is on a completely different level of professionalism to where the womens game is over here, it isn't even a fair comparison.

[BristolDevonCharlie]

4 minutes ago, Click said:

According to Wikipedia England Women have played Australia 3 times and lost 3 times with scoring 10 points and conceding 74. 

England Women have also played NZ 6 times, lost 6 times having scored 42 points and conceded 204. 

The NRLW is on a completely different level of professionalism to where the womens game is over here, it isn't even a fair comparison.

Yes, so that proves my point fairly well.

Thus, based on the averages, England should lose 3-24 to Australia and 7-34 to the Kiwi Ferns.

Neither is a 50+ point shellacking. 

As acknowledged, Australia (and NZ) are better than England but the kind of battering you mentioned is unlikely. England held their own in the RLWC 2021 Semi Final vs the Kiwis, and with a number of NRLW players now they will be a fair bit better than cannon fodder. 

[Click]

4 minutes ago, BristolDevonCharlie said:

Yes, so that proves my point fairly well.

Thus, based on the averages, England should lose 3-24 to Australia and 7-34 to the Kiwi Ferns.

Neither is a 50+ point shellacking. 

As acknowledged, Australia (and NZ) are better than England but the kind of battering you mentioned is unlikely. England held their own in the RLWC 2021 Semi Final vs the Kiwis, and with a number of NRLW players now they will be a fair bit better than cannon fodder. 

Isn't there only 1 English NRLW player? NRLW has stepped up its game tremendously since RLWC21, it is going to be embarrassing for England women. 

[Dave T]

9 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

 

Funny analogy Dave but I do sympathise with Atlantisman somewhat. Using your restaurant analogy, a large menu (ala Westherspoons) with a wide offering of cuisines tells me that they are not specialised and the food would be drab.

An event is an event. Keep it specialised. Two NRL games (or per my post above, say Kangaroos v GB Lions + Indigenous v Māori) and put other features on around the city on other days.

I'll be clear, I don't think it is necessarily a good idea to just start bolting events on without any real strategic thought - but I did find it peak RL that somebody would actively be put off attending because of this rather than still go along and enjoy the bit that they enjoy.

[Dave T]

8 hours ago, frank said:

Just the opposite Dave. Showing  the  spread of League with teams from Aussie the UK and NZ , more of an international appeal the game has instead of those in the States thinking it's just confined to Aussie.

This is 100% an NRL event. Suddenly talking about SL being involved so that they can get an extra couple of thousand English fans to fly over to support it feels a bit odd. 

[Dave T]

6 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

I think it’s a bit premature to be making that assumption Dave

Maybe, but I don't think it gives off an air of confidence really. It feels very muddled for an NRl event.

[ATLANTISMAN]

One factor here that no-one seems to want to talk about is COST.

I went this year with the wife and our 2 youngest, flights and a room (Holding 4) in a mega building with no food cost us around £ 4000 + breakfast for 4 120$ a day lunch usually around 250$ dinner 250/300$ beers 8/12$ a beef sandwich in the stadium (Albeit great quality) 28$ 

All up for 3 days it cost us an extra 2800$ around 2K + so all up around 6000 pounds + and that didn't include the shopping the only thing that was dead cheap Nike Oakleys etc.

Las Vegas is NOT a weekend at the Dragons staying in Loret drinking cheap Spanish beers or magic or even London which is expensive ITS MEGA EXPENSIVE to be honest we were shocked by the prices.

 

PS/Forgot the tickets 180$ x 4

 

 

Edited July 3 by ATLANTISMAN

[stookie]

2 hours ago, Click said:

Isn't there only 1 English NRLW player? NRLW has stepped up its game tremendously since RLWC21, it is going to be embarrassing for England women. 

There were 3 players last year.

 

Following the same wikipedia article I think, the Aus/Eng matches were WC games from 2017, 2013, 2008.

So that is all before the 1st season of NRLW anyway (2018). Back in the days NZ had the edge over Aus.

I'm also a little worried about this game, I don't think it helps anyone anywhere if it's a big win.

I wish it were Aus/NZ, then we could see how Eng go in the 2025 tour and consider scheduling them in for 2026.

 

[Sports Prophet]

Personally, I don’t think women’s RL belongs at the big ground, but I don’t think it is commercially viable or respectful enough to play England women v Jillaroos at a community ground either.

It just doesn’t come across as a major crowd puller. For events like this you really want an obvious target, like Hull was for the Germans in WWII.

https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/features/blitz-stories/hull-a-northern-coastal-town/#:~:text=Hull suffered severe destruction through,9%2C000 incendiary bombs on Hull.

[ATLANTISMAN]

To be announced tomorrow Wigan Warriors v Warrington Wolves (Wigan home match) 

Start saving folks it aint cheap

[Sports Prophet]

1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

To be announced tomorrow Wigan Warriors v Warrington Wolves (Wigan home match) 

Start saving folks it aint cheap

Wow, big news.

[Sports Prophet]

2 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

To be announced tomorrow Wigan Warriors v Warrington Wolves (Wigan home match) 

Start saving folks it aint cheap

Hidden in the Warrington club page forum:

https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php?/topic/393929-viva-las-vegas-for-super-league-pair/

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On 03/07/2024 at 11:50, ATLANTISMAN said:

One factor here that no-one seems to want to talk about is COST.

I went this year with the wife and our 2 youngest, flights and a room (Holding 4) in a mega building with no food cost us around £ 4000 + breakfast for 4 120$ a day lunch usually around 250$ dinner 250/300$ beers 8/12$ a beef sandwich in the stadium (Albeit great quality) 28$ 

All up for 3 days it cost us an extra 2800$ around 2K + so all up around 6000 pounds + and that didn't include the shopping the only thing that was dead cheap Nike Oakleys etc.

Las Vegas is NOT a weekend at the Dragons staying in Loret drinking cheap Spanish beers or magic or even London which is expensive ITS MEGA EXPENSIVE to be honest we were shocked by the prices.

 

PS/Forgot the tickets 180$ x 4

 

 

I agree Las Vegas is very expensive these days, shockingly so in many places, but you can get by fine without spending anywhere near that level of cash, especially off the strip. Also, there were decent tickets on sale last year for 20% of what you paid.

[rlno1]

On 03/07/2024 at 20:05, Dave T said:

This is 100% an NRL event. Suddenly talking about SL being involved so that they can get an extra couple of thousand English fans to fly over to support it feels a bit odd. 

I actually think it shows it wasn't the success financially that the NRL were looking for. By inviting the English this guarantees growth.

The RFL should use it as a negotiation piece to receive something in return.