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32 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Harry is correct in so far as he wouldn’t invest, that’s because he is totally opposed to IMG.

However the reality is that people have invested after IMG cane in, which kind of shoots massive holes in his argument.

Havent Oldham also had investment after IMG cane in?

The purchase of Oldham started well before IMG came in. This was publicly discussed at a fans forum.  

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1 minute ago, Roughyed Rats said:

The purchase of Oldham started well before IMG came in. This was publicly discussed at a fans forum.  

And IMG hasn't caused them to stop?

When exactly did it start? Because the clubs have known for some time now that some form of minimum standards/licensing was coming in.

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49 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

That could well happen with Toulouse this year, how I don't know.

Can you imagine if they got relegated to L1 and then put into Spreadsheet League? The game would be even more of a laughing stock.

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2 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

The purchase of Oldham started well before IMG came in. This was publicly discussed at a fans forum.  

Ok fair enough, it didn’t stop the investment going through though did it. And they openly praised it saying it’s exciting for the game and Oldham

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Just now, Roughyed Rats said:

Can you imagine if they got relegated to L1 and then put into Spreadsheet League? The game would be even more of a laughing stock.

Never say never Yedder, But I think they already know where they will be playing next season, it won't be the Championship and they won't be relegated, it seems they are not to bothered about strengthening their team for this season either.

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13 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Not at all, what did the Leigh do? That is the new blueprint.

The new footprint is then to find someone who can afford to continue to pay big money even if the club doesn’t win the Championship?  Do you think many rich people will commit to that ‘Blueprint’? 

Sure it’s going to be difficult enough to commit to all the audit requirements of IMG but that is what’s required now.  

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3 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

And IMG hasn't caused them to stop?

When exactly did it start? Because the clubs have known for some time now that some form of minimum standards/licensing was coming in.

Thankfully it didn't make them stop. No details of the 'standards/licensing' were issued until following their acquisition. Their position on IMG has been made very clear as part of their very open and transparent communication with supporters. 

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5 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

I think it’s an exciting league, each to their own.

I think it is the ultimate form of Rugby league Chris and prefer to watch it more than SL.

But that is not the reason why I answered the way I did, but I guess you already knew that.

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9 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Ok fair enough, it didn’t stop the investment going through though did it. And they openly praised it saying it’s exciting for the game and Oldham

No they didn't. That's a complete fabrication.

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6 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

No they didn't. That's a complete fabrication.

You find a lot of that with IMG fans, everything in the game is rosy now JUST because of their involvement.

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5 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

No they didn't. That's a complete fabrication.

what have I fabricated?
 

Today’s announcement comes at a time when the whole sport is going through a significant period of change. The RFL partnership with IMG hails the start of an exciting time for the game and we believe for Oldham RLFC. It is clear that off-the-field performance will become an increasingly important success factor and the club is committed to developing a winning team both on and off thefield”


https://www.totalrl.com/former-castleford-and-oldham-star-mike-ford-leads-takeover-of-league-one-club-alongside-local-businessman/

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9 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Thankfully it didn't make them stop. No details of the 'standards/licensing' were issued until following their acquisition. Their position on IMG has been made very clear as part of their very open and transparent communication with supporters. 

So what's the problem then?

Clubs were well aware some change was coming to the top level at least. Not specifics, but they weren't stupid to the way the wind was blowing.

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Just now, Tommygilf said:

So what's the problem then?

Clubs were well aware some change was coming to the top level at least. Not specifics, but they weren't stupid to the way the wind was blowing.

IMG released their recommendations in Sept 2022

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36 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

What position did Wakey finish in the indicative scores? It would be foolhardy not to makesure that position was maintained, you do realise there is a massive difference in the funding they would receive if they were to go into the Championshipnext season, and all the other monetary positives that come along with SL status, bigger crowds, merchandise sales, matchday revenue etc etc, c'mon glossop it's not hard.

It's not hard, that's why I'm wondering why you're struggling with it.

Wakefield are on the precipice of the 12, with a season in the championship so reduced tv scores, crowd scores, finances etc that come with it. A very precarious position.

They have a new owner. Who has invested in the club. This increases their chances of therefore being in SL. More money in the game, possibly/probably directly as a result of wanting to score higher in the IMG grading.

You're using a really daft argument here Harry when you are saying people won't invest due to the new system. As has also been said, see Wigan and Oldham, though in different circumstances.

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28 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Can you imagine if they got relegated to L1 and then put into Spreadsheet League? The game would be even more of a laughing stock.

That won't happen due to the on field performance score. You are being completely disingenuous, as so many who argue against the IMG system are. And if it did then even more reason to have them in there as they would have overcome that performance disadvantage and shown themselves a top club. Note club not team.

Just to add there are also plenty who disagree with it and do put good, consistent points forward. They don't seem to be on this thread today.

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14 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

You find a lot of that with IMG fans, everything in the game is rosy now JUST because of their involvement.

Incredibly hypocritical from someone who has a dislike of IMG to the point of having a rant that people used to dress better decades ago.

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

But reduces the sporting contest over all the division, fine if you like that kind of thing. 

I don't watch sport for relegation battles. Neither does anyone in the NRL, and there seems to be plenty of sporting contest down there. 

1 hour ago, phiggins said:

This system only really provides security from relegation to those that already have it anyway.

Not really. Hull KR are a Grade A club, they got relegated less than 10 years ago. But the whole point is to work to a league full of Grade A clubs, who will all have security from relegation. This phase-in period is only that, a phase-in. 

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37 minutes ago, Ovenden Grunt said:

IMG is a stain on the sport of Rugby League and the sooner they pack up and go back to their shiny skyscraper in the good old USA the better.

That seems a proportionate, well considered, rational response to the situation. Thanks. Halifax haven't been able to get into Super League for over 20 years under the current model, so they're hardly creating a new barrier for you. 

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4 minutes ago, Worzel said:

Not really. Hull KR are a Grade A club, they got relegated less than 10 years ago. But the whole point is to work to a league full of Grade A clubs, who will all have security from relegation. This phase-in period is only that, a phase-in. 

But I'm guessing that the Hull KR of 2016 would not have scored against this system as highly as the Hull KR of 2023 did? But they have shown that it is possible to grow and improve standards under a traditional P&R structure (though, I have said previously, I'd prefer a P&R with a minimum score condition to it).

You would imagine that for an A grade club to finish bottom, they would have to have made a number of seriously bad decisions and wasted a lot of resources. Which would beg the question, did they deserve that grading and excemption in the first place?

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