Img grading

[Stevos Barber]

I don't have a problem with the concept of improvement but my suggestion is weighting the system so that the third year has more available marks than the second which in turn has more than the first.  This would reward improvement.

Let's assume Hull FC get relegated next year. It would, potentially mean they couldn't be promoted until 2028 by the time they lose the bad rating for 2024 and 2025. 

[philipw]

3 hours ago, Stevos Barber said:

So next year we win the Championship at a canter, increase our crowds to 5000 and we still have a poor grading because of 2021 under a different regime?

Can you imagine the furore in football if that had been applied to Ipswich Town and Luton Town?

Next year's grading will cover 2023, 2024 and 2025

[Stevos Barber]

Still complicated

[LittleboroRoughyed]

The drop also includes stadium utilisation. Whitebank had a capacity of circa 1500 & we averaged circa 500 therefore 33% utilisation. Boundary Park capacity circa 13500 & average of circa 1500 equals 11% utilisation. Therefore we lose points despite tripling our average - madness

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

After 24 hours of reflection,  I'm over the disappointment.  I'm back to where I was at the end of the season. This IMG score is irrelevant for now. For the next 2 or so years our, on field, aim is to become a top championship side and to win a few challenge Cup ties and possibly go for the 1895 Cup. And grow our fan base! Come on Oldham, come on Oldham,  come on Oldham!!!

[Tim G]

I just can't wait for the season to begin. Our chairman has big ideas and we should back him and the club fully.  

The RFL have proved for years that they have limited ideas mainly due to the lack of funds and appeal of our great sport, hence reduced TV rights (astonishing in this multi media world we live in). Few newspapers follow RL, SKY income has plummeted, sponsorship is therefore limited due to the lack of outreach to the public at large.

I have read recently how many SL clubs are losing money each year. Is there any point in being a member of this so called elite group when clubs are in a fragile state at the very top. My gut feeling is that many of SL players may see the benefit of playing part time and working during the day, ie like the old days.  They are not going to get wealthy playing on reduced wages because that will be happening very soon.

There is every chance that the championship could pull in terrestrial TV rights (not major money) and prove more popular to the general public than SL has ever been because of the reduced market appeal of satellite TV.

IMG will eventually disappear and nothing will have improved. Seen it before with the licencing scheme.

End of moan 

[jroyales]

Interesting argument about where you play impacts upon the IMG scoring. We're lucky we don't play at Old Trafford, we'd be on a minus score.

IMG is for sooperdooperleeg and the rest will continue to struggle because they don't give a monkey's for the rest.

And I feel even if we win the Championship next season the bottom superdooperleeg team will stay put.

[SINGE]

I'm not going to lose sleep over it, and I  hope the owners don't and resolve everything. I get that it is 3 years rolling.

But on a basic level, how can 22,23,24 be worse than 21,22,23?

 

[Anita Bath]

On 24/10/2024 at 18:34, jroyales said:

Interesting argument about where you play impacts upon the IMG scoring. We're lucky we don't play at Old Trafford, we'd be on a minus score.

IMG is for sooperdooperleeg and the rest will continue to struggle because they don't give a monkey's for the rest.

And I feel even if we win the Championship next season the bottom superdooperleeg team will stay put.

yes, yes, yes. But our clubs voted for it. But then millions of yanks will be voting for Trump next week.

Who said democracy was a good thing?

[Tim G]

I just can't get my head around this Img thing.  Yes of course they have generated some common sense grading requirements,  but surely the rfl could have created this plan at no costs to the game.  What the game actually needs is massive commercial investment and I don't see this, unless I am missing something. 

This week I noticed that Salford Red Devils are asking for an advance on their TV money. They are a superleague club that are having financial difficulties, yet are still allowed to stay in the competition.  So I ask the question again,  what is the grading about other than paying vast sums of money to a third party organisation.  

 

[shaw llewellyn]

58 minutes ago, Tim G said:

This week I noticed that Salford Red Devils are asking for an advance on their TV money. They are a superleague club that are having financial difficulties, yet are still allowed to stay in the competition.  So I ask the question again,  what is the grading about other than paying vast sums of money to a third party organisation.  

 

A question no-one can (or wants) to answer.

[Tim G]

Been reading about the plight of Salford these past few weeks as got me annoyed even more about what IMG actually brings to the table. As of today, IMG clearly believe Salford to be a super league club.  Can someone explain how that assumption is possible.   It is likely that they could lose every game this coming season with a depleted squad.  Crowds will be reduced and standards will drop drastically.   So why do we accept this nonsense of grading.  Let's say a championship club, could even be Oldham, wins the league and are clearly going places, yet under these strange rules, probably we won't get promoted and Salford claim Sky money for another year.

I see that Eddie Hearn guy has stated that the game is dying.  I personally think we as a sport will eventually go back to being part time unless someone can drag the game into the real world . 

Does anyone out there actually know what the hell IMG has brought to RL?

What am I missing 

 

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

57 minutes ago, Tim G said:

Been reading about the plight of Salford these past few weeks as got me annoyed even more about what IMG actually brings to the table. As of today, IMG clearly believe Salford to be a super league club.  Can someone explain how that assumption is possible.   It is likely that they could lose every game this coming season with a depleted squad.  Crowds will be reduced and standards will drop drastically.   So why do we accept this nonsense of grading.  Let's say a championship club, could even be Oldham, wins the league and are clearly going places, yet under these strange rules, probably we won't get promoted and Salford claim Sky money for another year.

I see that Eddie Hearn guy has stated that the game is dying.  I personally think we as a sport will eventually go back to being part time unless someone can drag the game into the real world . 

Does anyone out there actually know what the hell IMG has brought to RL?

What am I missing 

 

If I remember right, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but i think Salford were graded B. So if they finish bottom and the top championship team are a B then they should be relegated!

[Roughyed Rats]

39 minutes ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

If I remember right, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but i think Salford were graded B. So if they finish bottom and the top championship team are a B then they should be relegated!

Nope. That's what Batley were proposing recently but it got voted down by the SL clubs. It's purely on IMG score, so even if Salford finish bottom, if their IMG score is the 12th best, they retain their place.

[fiftiesremembered]

In other words - total rubbish system.

 

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

Salfords last IMG score was 13.97. The financial element was 2.15. There's no way they should get that next time. Toulouse was 13.95! So of salford are bottom and Toulouse championship winners is likely Salford will be relegated?

[shrewsbury roughyed]

The fact that this debate and attempts at clarification are necessary proves the ridiculous nature of the ImG intervention. I fully support encouraging better facilities, social media presence etc., but the promotion/relegation system is a fundamental principle of British leagues across the board. To make the entire aspiration and effort and achievement of a club meaningless over a season is demoralising, demotivating, demeaning and stupid. Leaving the future of rl in the hands of blinkered, diehards is if no use. Placing it in the hands of marketing, branding, spreadsheet, target-driven obsessives with no understanding of the roots and identity of the game is just as useless. Have a mighty season Oldham, and keep building (rebuilding) our community roots and pathways. Let’s show these faceless bureaucrats how it’s done. 
Rant over.

For now…

[Bert Street]

1 hour ago, shrewsbury roughyed said:

The fact that this debate and attempts at clarification are necessary proves the ridiculous nature of the ImG intervention. I fully support encouraging better facilities, social media presence etc., but the promotion/relegation system is a fundamental principle of British leagues across the board. To make the entire aspiration and effort and achievement of a club meaningless over a season is demoralising, demotivating, demeaning and stupid. Leaving the future of rl in the hands of blinkered, diehards is if no use. Placing it in the hands of marketing, branding, spreadsheet, target-driven obsessives with no understanding of the roots and identity of the game is just as useless. Have a mighty season Oldham, and keep building (rebuilding) our community roots and pathways. Let’s show these faceless bureaucrats how it’s done. 
Rant over.

For now…

Keep ranting.