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#21 Trojan

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 10:48 AM

QUOTE (Kenilworth Tiger @ Sep 20 2010, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nowhere have I said my clubs fans are angels - I am asking for opinions on how the HKR Club should be punished for the actions of one or two of their fans.

Do you think seeing Wigan players not standing under the sticks is a good image for our great game - unfortunately these scenes were rescreened on the BBC yesterday and a couple of colleagues from work mentioned it.

Do you think the fine should be equal to or more than the one Cas got?

But what about the fact that this happened at Wigan not at Hull? What can the Hull KR club do about something that happens on another club's ground?
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#22 Kenilworth Tiger

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 10:53 AM

QUOTE (Trojan @ Sep 20 2010, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what about the fact that this happened at Wigan not at Hull? What can the Hull KR club do about something that happens on another club's ground?


Apparently the fines are dished out for not doing anything about something that has already happened so I guess they should ban them, fine them, publicly stone them.

So I presume it's how the club react to what has already happened but judging by cookeys post there's nothing to worry about in East Hull
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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#23 Kenilworth Tiger

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 12:57 PM

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You sad,lonely inadequate little man.


Just thouhgt I'd bump this so ccookey can give us his thoughts on the situation
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 01:11 PM

RFL to launch full investigation

And it mentions Missiles in the plural too so obviously more than just 1 lighter was chucked
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 03:49 PM

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RFL to launch full investigation

And it mentions Missiles in the plural too so obviously more than just 1 lighter was chucked

Good God. Surely they're not gonna count dummies as well. They're really in trouble if so.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 04:20 PM

The fine Castleford incurred was not for the chanting but the meagre reaction by the club. You can't stop a fan or two from attempting to misbehave. You can deal with it properly.

Cas fans need to get over this. For one, you're reminding everyone of your absolutely terrible behaviour towards a player, and two, you're whining.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 04:22 PM

If you want a sensible debate, there's little point posting a question on this forum.

It usually only takes 3-4 posts before the first jibe is made and then it goes downhill.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 07:36 PM

In my opinion the RFL set a precedent by ignoring exactly the same behaviour by Wigan fans in the C.C cup game at Headingley. Thousands of t.v viewers saw coins,plastic glasses, lighters and even a sandwich box rein down on leeds players, yet failed to hold an inquiry never mind punish them. If they are to be consistent no action should be taken against Hull K R. That would obviously be the wrong response but if consistency is what you are looking for these two incidents appear to be very similar therefore should elicit the same non -punishment from the RFL. I am sure if missiles were aimed specifically at a gay rugby league player the response would have been swift and merciless from the authorities. The RFL have created a massive problem for themselves with their draconian punishment meted out to Castleford for what most people would say was a relatively minor offence where nobody was physically harmed, and was the result of the behaviour of a tiny number of fans. Every incident will quite rightly be compared to the Gareth Thomas one because which ever club you support you want to see a sense of fairness, honesty and consistency coming from the authorities. If, as Ullman stated the other day, an inquiry is still ongoing regarding missile throwing at the K.C back in April, i wouldn't think Hull K R or Wigan have anything to worry about for at least 6 or 7 months, it seems the RFL like to draw these things out and make themselves feel important. A swift response is only forthcoming when a homosexual player is involved by the looks of things. As for the original question, i think physical misdemeanours should incur a bigger fine than verbal misdemeanours, that would rightly or wrongly mean a bigger fine for Hull K R compared to Cas if they and their fans are found guilty of any wrongdoing. If verbal abuse is an ongoing problem at any ground then obviously fines would increase to reflect this.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 07:53 PM

Cas copped it for not responding to homophibic chanting, which, though distasteful, is not directly threatening to the physical well being of a player. The response of the club was almost to condone the chanting, note the word almost.

If idiots decide to throw things at the players then it is not easy stop instantly once the object or objects have been thrown then it is done and stewards would find it hard to immediatly pinpoint the offender. Security cameras don't follow every individual so a bit of previous idiotic behaviour would need to precede an incident for the cameras to be trainedquired, if thare appears to be a lack of crowd control then a fine on an area. I wasn't at the game so I don't know how many KR fans where there so don't know how difficult it would be to pinpoint an individual or individuals concerened.

Why does KR seem to have more than its fair share of idiots, will the true RL supporters name and shame the people concerened, as happened in the infamous Hull supporter incident at Leeds a few years back.

As for the size of the fine, its down to how the RFL judge KR's response, if they make every efort to identify the individuals and if they do then take approriate action then the fine should be less than Cas's fine. If they do nothing then the fine should be higher than the Cas fine.

Should Wigan be fined, tricky one, what action was taken at the time, the only real solution would have been to empty that end of the ground throwing out everybody which would probably have inflamed an already tense situation. That said it happened on their watch and maybe sharper stewarding to keep an eye on what was going on was required and if any evidence shows that to be the case then fair enough hit Wigan with a fine as well, about 5k would be proportianate.


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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:15 PM

QUOTE (Padge @ Sep 20 2010, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cas copped it for not responding to homophibic chanting, which, though distasteful, is not directly threatening to the physical well being of a player. The response of the club was almost to condone the chanting, note the word almost.

If idiots decide to throw things at the players then it is not easy stop instantly once the object or objects have been thrown then it is done and stewards would find it hard to immediatly pinpoint the offender. Security cameras don't follow every individual so a bit of previous idiotic behaviour would need to precede an incident for the cameras to be trainedquired, if thare appears to be a lack of crowd control then a fine on an area. I wasn't at the game so I don't know how many KR fans where there so don't know how difficult it would be to pinpoint an individual or individuals concerened.

Why does KR seem to have more than its fair share of idiots, will the true RL supporters name and shame the people concerened, as happened in the infamous Hull supporter incident at Leeds a few years back.

As for the size of the fine, its down to how the RFL judge KR's response, if they make every efort to identify the individuals and if they do then take approriate action then the fine should be less than Cas's fine. If they do nothing then the fine should be higher than the Cas fine.

Should Wigan be fined, tricky one, what action was taken at the time, the only real solution would have been to empty that end of the ground throwing out everybody which would probably have inflamed an already tense situation. That said it happened on their watch and maybe sharper stewarding to keep an eye on what was going on was required and if any evidence shows that to be the case then fair enough hit Wigan with a fine as well, about 5k would be proportianate.

I've think the level of stewarding is quite poor at most grounds and when a situation arises they're rarely up to the task of handling any problems. I think a police presence inside the ground is the only real deterrent to the idiots that infest our game and i feel we will start to have more problems until this is considered. The self policing notion is a fallacy and clubs need to grasp the nettle now before these type of incidents become the norm.

#31 StevieM13

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:17 PM

It's been on every 5Live sports bulletin all afternoon, and the same on Radio2.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:37 PM

I thought the reaction of the minority of Hull KR fans was an absolute disgrace but when the Sky Sports cameras focussed on them it looked like the Stewards were on it pretty fast. The main recollection I have of it is after they showed the replay of Richards handing it to the ref was the big, ugly woman really aggressively hurling abuse & throwing the 'V's while the stewards were trying to control 20-30 trouble-makers behind the posts.
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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:40 PM

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It's been on every 5Live sports bulletin all afternoon, and the same on Radio2.


I had the misfortune of spending a long time in the car today and heard the story repeated ad nauseam in the news bulletins of various BBC radio stations. Its only when things like this happen that RL becomes newsworthy, unfortunately. sad.gif

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:41 PM

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I've think the level of stewarding is quite poor at most grounds and when a situation arises they're rarely up to the task of handling any problems. I think a police presence inside the ground is the only real deterrent to the idiots that infest our game and i feel we will start to have more problems until this is considered. The self policing notion is a fallacy and clubs need to grasp the nettle now before these type of incidents become the norm.

Self policing isn't a fallacy, I have seen many situations over the years calmed down by other supporters stepping in to calm situations down and drag people who are getting 'emotional' taken to one side.

Self policing doesn't work though when you have people who have gone to a game hell bent on causing trouble because reasoning with dickheads is a none starter.

The many true and good supporters at every club though can play their part in self policing, the advent of the digital camera technology means that there are always a large number of cameras in the vicinity of any incident. Photograph the idiots, carefully, and then send the photographs to the club. On their own the photographs may be of little evidence but with other information it could identify who these idiots are.

All clubs have idiots, some clubs appear to have more than their fair share though.


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Posted 20 September 2010 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE (Padge @ Sep 20 2010, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Self policing isn't a fallacy, I have seen many situations over the years calmed down by other supporters stepping in to calm situations down and drag people who are getting 'emotional' taken to one side.

Self policing doesn't work though when you have people who have gone to a game hell bent on causing trouble because reasoning with dickheads is a none starter.

The many true and good supporters at every club though can play their part in self policing, the advent of the digital camera technology means that there are always a large number of cameras in the vicinity of any incident. Photograph the idiots, carefully, and then send the photographs to the club. On their own the photographs may be of little evidence but with other information it could identify who these idiots are.

All clubs have idiots, some clubs appear to have more than their fair share though.


Apparently Cas fans self policed during the chanting. The Cas club put out tannoy announcements immediately and used cameras to identify the perpetrators. Expect a massive fine for Wigan then.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 11:21 PM

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I wasn't at the game so I don't know how many KR fans where there so don't know how difficult it would be to pinpoint an individual or individuals concerened.

Fair play to two or three decent Rovers fans who contacted Blunderside tonight to express their disgust at the incident.

Sadly, from their descriptions, it sounds like there were quite a few mindless perpetrators, as one chap put it "We were right in the middle of them"

Two fans stated they won't be renewing their season passes next year after their experience.

I hope Rovers do make enquiries to discover and ban the offenders. Our great game isn't in such a healthy financial state that we can lose decent fans, possibly forever, due to actions of morons.

Being a Hull fan, obviously I know what it's like to experience $h!t like this and then have fans of other clubs always bring up incidents like the one at Huddersfield ten years since. It hurts.

A suspended fine at least should get Hudgell and co moving in the right direction as regards controlling their fans behaviour. He's only too aware that his club are running at a considerable loss, any fine hanging over their heads will hardly help their money worries.


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#37 Marty Funkhouser

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 11:58 PM

As Neil Hudgell will no doubt point out in due course , I believe a precedent has already been set for away fans, when the RFL decided that Hull FC were not responsible for their fans invading the Craven Park pitch a couple of seasons ago and took action against the home side (Hull KR) for same...

Any action should therefore be against Wigan/the stadium for failing to protect the players....

Not my view , but the RFL have made their bed and can easily be held to it....

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 08:02 AM

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The fine Castleford incurred was not for the chanting but the meagre reaction by the club. You can't stop a fan or two from attempting to misbehave. You can deal with it properly.

Cas fans need to get over this. For one, you're reminding everyone of your absolutely terrible behaviour towards a player, and two, you're whining.


I'm completely over our fine thanks for your concern. Apologies if it comes over as whining, I trust you fully agree that throwing things at players is OK and I shouldn;t have started the thread?

So what are your thoughts on it or should we just talk about how nailed on Widnes are for a franchise
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 10:46 AM

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Not much seems to have been made of this. Are the RFL trying to keep it quiet? I've never seen the players stand on the halfway line for their own safety during a conversion before. Only takes one moron in a thousand or two though. Was anything else other than the lighter thrown on? I heard some coins were too. Hit them with 40k, half suspended for a couple of years. That might sharpen their minds that they may have a problem.



On first reading of this I thought the Hull KR fans had thrown 40k at the Wigan players.

Maybe they were just paying extra for the entertaining rugby they had seen from Wigan, and the lighter was for Tomkins, someone mistakenly thought his V sign was Tomkins asking the Hull KR fans for a fag.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 11:42 AM

On the subject, Hull KR consistently bring the largest number of away supporters to the DW (apart from Saints) and other than a handful of numptys the overwhelming majority of KR supporters were fantastic. I believe about half a dozen objects (coins in the main) were thrown.

However, every club has a tiny minority of numptys just as every village / town or city does. As long as Wigan and KR attempt to identify the numptys and take action then I do not see the need for any fines other than perhaps a suspended one to give fans fair warning that their actions will harm their own club. I think the Castleford fine was OTT.

Players also need to behave sensibly. Leeds players gesturing at Wigan fans and verbally abusing them, Sam T last week throwing the ball at Leeds fans and this week Martin Gleeson doing likewise is something that needs o stop ASAP. Likewise some of the tweeting on twitter by so called professionals needs to be looked at.




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