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27 minutes ago, ivans82 said:

Don`t you just love the close season. Hazard saying it was a wrench to leave Chelsea and having loved every minute of his time there , despite him and his agent twining for the last 2 years to get away , and him downing tools and getting Mouriniho the sack .And Pogba saying maybe a change would do him good , despite saying Solksjaer was a breath of fresh air when Utd were on their run of wins .

I cant keep track of who plays for who one week to the next , loads of foreign names I never heard of , shipped in shipped out, bought sold, like the latest fone, not interested one bit, as for the womens wc I have yet to meet one single person whos bothered about it in the slightest.

did the bloke who invented the phrase "one hit wonder" invent anything else?

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3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

VAR's going well then.

Can of worms . Was always going to be . RL could have told them that . Once it’s there it just becomes a different game and infiltrates further . I’m not a fan beyond basic things like goalline / in goal definitive stuff . Not second guessing or interpretation 

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1 hour ago, DavidM said:

Can of worms . Was always going to be . RL could have told them that . Once it’s there it just becomes a different game and infiltrates further . I’m not a fan beyond basic things like goalline / in goal definitive stuff . Not second guessing or interpretation 

Premier League have (rightly) said they will not be using VAR on goalkeeper infringements in penalty kicks.

I am so looking forward to a match in this World Cup going to a shoot-out. It will take all night and every penalty will go in on a retake.

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41 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Premier League have (rightly) said they will not be using VAR on goalkeeper infringements in penalty kicks.

I am so looking forward to a match in this World Cup going to a shoot-out. It will take all night and every penalty will go in on a retake.

Yep you just never see a goalie take a step of their line ...

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2 hours ago, DavidM said:

Yep you just never see a goalie take a step of their line ...

I hate to sound like a dull middle aged man but I am. I went to my first soccer game a whopping 37 years ago. I don't know how many matches I've physically been to since but a very conservative guess would say 600. In that time I think I've seen a penalty retaken ... maybe once. It's just not something that needs to happen. As long as the keeper isn't yards forward it is simply not an issue and it boggles my mind that FIFA have decided to use a World Cup to bring in this interpretation and rigidly enforce it via VAR.

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My first match was Man U v Blackpool in 1970, since then I have been to less than a dozen matches.

Just so the men's teams don't feel left out, as well a the Copa America, and The African Cup of Nations, we start the European season next Tuesday with 2 games in the Champions League qualification first round with Tre Penne (San Marino) v Santa Coloma (Andorra) & Feronikeli (Kosovo) v Lincoln Red Imps (Gibraltar)

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Just back from France where we had one hell of a time, experienced the whole range of emotions associated with being a football supporter, before, perhaps predictably, being sent home "Tae think again".

And it was all going reasonably well until the last 16 minutes of the group stages...

Highlights:-

Being at a festival of sport that highlighted and celebrated female excellence.

Quirky accommodation in Nice, Rennes and Paris/Parc de St Cloud.

The banter and the friendly rivalry and camaraderie between the Scotland and England supporters at the match and on the transit buses.

Five Scotland goals, especially that goal by Methven's finest in the Japan game.

Being photographed and used in SFA marketing/propaganda.

Being mentioned in a BBC interview ?

Lowlights/incidents/other:-

Being bit by aggressive mozzies in Nice and Paris.

VAR

Paris public transport officials.

A near six hour delay of the outbound flight (positive: €500 in compensation).

Best bits:-

That goal.

The honour of supporting such an incredible group of women.

The absolute best: being presented with the match shirt from the England game by a world cup footballer.

 

 

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On 20/06/2019 at 15:50, gingerjon said:

I hate to sound like a dull middle aged man but I am. I went to my first soccer game a whopping 37 years ago. I don't know how many matches I've physically been to since but a very conservative guess would say 600. In that time I think I've seen a penalty retaken ... maybe once. It's just not something that needs to happen. As long as the keeper isn't yards forward it is simply not an issue and it boggles my mind that FIFA have decided to use a World Cup to bring in this interpretation and rigidly enforce it via VAR.

It does seem like they are using the Women's World Cup to test out a few rule changes.

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On 20/06/2019 at 15:50, gingerjon said:

I hate to sound like a dull middle aged man but I am. I went to my first soccer game a whopping 37 years ago. I don't know how many matches I've physically been to since but a very conservative guess would say 600. In that time I think I've seen a penalty retaken ... maybe once. It's just not something that needs to happen. As long as the keeper isn't yards forward it is simply not an issue and it boggles my mind that FIFA have decided to use a World Cup to bring in this interpretation and rigidly enforce it via VAR.

It's like the RFL deciding that they were going to strictly enforce the playing of the ball with the foot and sending every try up to the big screen.

That'd end equally well.

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5 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Rugby League could've told them that it'd all end in tears. Well maybe not tears but certainly frustrated overuse.

 

I haven't seen any of today's game because I was driving so I had the radio coverage. Obviously, they were a bit 'favouring England' with their interpretation of VAR so I'll not make any comment about the decisions until I've seen them.

But it was interesting that they were all already moaning that a 90 minute game took over two hours to complete. Should tell them to wait until they get a really contentious game.

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44 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Well that wasn't pretty. The Cameroonians were a disgrace. 

Pretty standard, in my experience of watching them. They seem to have been the thugs of African Football (men and women) since the 1990 WC.

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9 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I haven't seen any of today's game because I was driving so I had the radio coverage. Obviously, they were a bit 'favouring England' with their interpretation of VAR so I'll not make any comment about the decisions until I've seen them.

But it was interesting that they were all already moaning that a 90 minute game took over two hours to complete. Should tell them to wait until they get a really contentious game.

The decisions were technically correct but the Cameroon "goal" was 4 inches offside. It all took way too long. The ref lost control of the game and ended up disallowing a VAR penalty call for England presumably to keep the peace as it was a clear pen. At least 2 Cameroon players should have been sent off. VAR in its current implementation spoils the game IMO.

Never let it be said that women's football is boring!

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22 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Pretty standard, in my experience of watching them. They seem to have been the thugs of African Football (men and women) since the 1990 WC.

That game against Argentina in your mind ?!

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36 minutes ago, tim2 said:

The decisions were technically correct but the Cameroon "goal" was 4 inches offside. It all took way too long. The ref lost control of the game and ended up disallowing a VAR penalty call for England presumably to keep the peace as it was a clear pen. At least 2 Cameroon players should have been sent off. VAR in its current implementation spoils the game IMO.

Never let it be said that women's football is boring!

It is interesting how with RL, something that should be a force for good ends up causing considerable frustration because of how it is implemented. It seems pretty obvious to me that they need to radically reduce the number of situations it can be used for.

Regardless of whether the decisions were technically right or not (and they were), it doesn't excuse the behaviour of the Cameroonian players. They were threatening to walk out at half-time over allegations of racism. Compare this to a situation like England vs Germany in 2006: a game with far higher stakes, in a far more intense atmosphere and a decision so wrong that I personally have never been as angry during any sporting event before or since. It was a disgrace and people were rightly annoyed but there was never talking of walking off the pitch or anything like that. You also didn't see England players acting like the players in the last minute, committing a clear red-card foul and then the captain screaming at the player on the floor. 

What we saw was something I think we'll see much more of as identity politics continues to take a hold on society. Contentious decisions and contentious games will be seen through the prism of oppression. 

 

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VAR could be the ruin of the English Premier League as an entertainment product overseas.

So much stop and start, it’ll ruin the all action tempo of the average game that has made it so appealing abroad.

All in the name of a ridiculous drive for total accuracy that will forever be denied because of the human factor.

 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, tim2 said:

The decisions were technically correct but the Cameroon "goal" was 4 inches offside. It all took way too long. The ref lost control of the game and ended up disallowing a VAR penalty call for England presumably to keep the peace as it was a clear pen. At least 2 Cameroon players should have been sent off. VAR in its current implementation spoils the game IMO.

Never let it be said that women's football is boring!

I've now seen what I think are all the contentious points. Cameroon should have finished with 8 players and should have had at least a couple of additional cards for dissent. I don't see why VAR was checking that aspect of the Cameroon goal but, obviously, that's technically correct even if it is so far against the spirit of the game as to be obscene. Nothing excuses their behaviour. England should have had a penalty.

Ultimately I think a key problem is that the game management from the referees is not up to scratch. They can't seem to cope with VAR being a debate between them and the video officials - and they also seem unable to control players' responses.

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10 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

VAR could be the ruin of the English Premier League as an entertainment product overseas.

 

They've already said they won't be checking for goalkeeping 'foot faults' on penalties. I expect we'll see a further tweaking or several soon.

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I thought England women played very well today. The best I've seen them play so far this tournament. Hopefully we're hitting some good form at the right time.

Cameroon lost their heads. The decisions were correct. If that's how they behave, I'm glad they're out and on their way home.

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1 hour ago, DavidM said:

That game against Argentina in your mind ?!

That was the most remembered, especially their multiple assaults on Claudio Caniggia, but I've heard other players from that tournament say how dirty the Cameroon team was too.

But Roger Milla did a funny little dance when he scored, so the media's condescension levels went through the roof for the plucky losers who didn't get in the way once the real money-spinning knockout matches got going.

"We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato."  Don Estelle

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7 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

It's like the RFL deciding that they were going to strictly enforce the playing of the ball with the foot and sending every try up to the big screen.

That'd end equally well.

Have we not had that? We usually get three weeks of chaos whenever they try to police something, and then they start ignoring it again in the fourth week.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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