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There's another reason people let fireworks off, in Bradford anyway.

 

 

Whats the special reason in Bradford?


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Diwali?

 

I will mention the Hindu Festival of Light if none of you want to admit to acknowledge there is a non Yorkshire community living within your streets.

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Diwali?

I will mention the Hindu Festival of Light if none of you want to admit to acknowledge there is a non Yorkshire community living within your streets.

Err no that's not what Johnoco was on about


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Err no that's not what Johnoco was on about

Perhaps someone could PM us?


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Perhaps someone could PM us?

 

 

No idea even with the clue.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Diwali?

 

I will mention the Hindu Festival of Light if none of you want to admit to acknowledge there is a non Yorkshire community living within your streets.

Yeh, but they don't celebrate it once a week with a delivery of goodies thrown from an accelerating white Vauxhall Astra. Keep up.

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Yeh, but they don't celebrate it once a week with a delivery of goodies thrown from an accelerating white Vauxhall Astra. Keep up.

 

ah ok


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Is it REALLY the number 1 news story on the BBC that footballers won't be wearing the poppy while playing football?  Each year it gets worse.  It must be voluntary, having anyone tell anyone else whether they must or must not wear it just misses the point entirely of it being a personal reflection.

 

The Daily Mail (I won't link it) has a story showing a black foreign woman who is apparently stopping our brave footballers from being told to wear the poppy by their bosses.


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Is it REALLY the number 1 news story on the BBC that footballers won't be wearing the poppy while playing football?  Each year it gets worse.  It must be voluntary, having anyone tell anyone else whether they must or must not wear it just misses the point entirely of it being a personal reflection.

 

The Daily Mail (I won't link it) has a story showing a black foreign woman who is apparently stopping our brave footballers from being told to wear the poppy by their bosses.

It may miss the point of personal reflection , not that is all it has come to mean, but when national representatives are stopped wearing it by a corrupt sports body I don't think personal reflection is the point of the story.

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Poppies = virtue signalling.

 

(lights that fire and walks away)


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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It may miss the point of personal reflection , not that is all it has come to mean, but when national representatives are stopped wearing it by a corrupt sports body I don't think personal reflection is the point of the story.

What if a player chooses not to wear the poppy?  The original plan, and that of the English union side, is to have it embroidered onto the shirt.

 

The RBL's attitude towards poppy wearing:

 

Q1 Does the RBL believe everybody should wear a poppy from the day of the launch?

British Legion: “No, we take the view that the poppy represents sacrifices made in the defence of freedom; and so the decision to wear it must be a matter of personal choice. If the poppy became compulsory it would lose its meaning and significance.”

Q2 What is the RBL's attitude towards those who point out others are not wearing a poppy to try and shame them into doing so?

British Legion: “We are thankful for every poppy worn, every shop that allows poppy collections, and every employer that permits the poppy to be displayed – but we never insist upon these things or claim a natural right. To do otherwise would be contrary to the spirit of Remembrance and all that the poppy stands for.”

Q3 Do you consider attempted "shaming" to be counterproductive?

British Legion: “Yes, wearing a poppy should be a matter of personal choice.”


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What if a player chooses not to wear the poppy?  The original plan, and that of the English union side, is to have it embroidered onto the shirt.

 

The RBL's attitude towards poppy wearing:

 

Q1 Does the RBL believe everybody should wear a poppy from the day of the launch?

British Legion: “No, we take the view that the poppy represents sacrifices made in the defence of freedom; and so the decision to wear it must be a matter of personal choice. If the poppy became compulsory it would lose its meaning and significance.”

Q2 What is the RBL's attitude towards those who point out others are not wearing a poppy to try and shame them into doing so?

British Legion: “We are thankful for every poppy worn, every shop that allows poppy collections, and every employer that permits the poppy to be displayed – but we never insist upon these things or claim a natural right. To do otherwise would be contrary to the spirit of Remembrance and all that the poppy stands for.”

Q3 Do you consider attempted "shaming" to be counterproductive?

British Legion: “Yes, wearing a poppy should be a matter of personal choice.”

Players are representing England Football not themselves.

 

The decision to wear it is a personal choice, but when someone has taken the personal choice to play for England Football team they are free not to take the jersey if they don't like what it represents.

 

FIFA are removing any personal choice from the decision.

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Its much easier for FIFA to have a blanket ban.  


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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You think the poppy is a political, religious, commercial, symbol?

i do think it is commercial and politicised now, yes.

In Scottish football there is controversy over the use of the poppy. Im not sure it needs to be part of team's shirts.

FIFA's approach is to keep everything like this out of football and I have some sympathy with that view.

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I've no strong feeling either way about poppies on football shirts but the way some people are going on about it you'd think it was a hallowed tradition that has gone on since the end of WW1 when in fact it's a recent trend. Stop all the hyperbole and remember the dead respectfully.


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I've no strong feeling either way about poppies on football shirts but the way some people are going on about it you'd think it was a hallowed tradition that has gone on since the end of WW1 when in fact it's a recent trend. Stop all the hyperbole and remember the dead respectfully.

Pretty sure it has actually been going on since the end of WW1 mate.

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i do think it is commercial and politicised now, yes.

In Scottish football there is controversy over the use of the poppy. Im not sure it needs to be part of team's shirts.

FIFA's approach is to keep everything like this out of football and I have some sympathy with that view.

Both are home nations. Both want to observe it by having poppies on their shirt, so what's it to FIFA? It's not like its England v Germany and you could end up with an awkward situation, or worse, fighting on the terraces.

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Both are home nations. Both want to observe it by having poppies on their shirt, so what's it to FIFA? It's not like its England v Germany and you could end up with an awkward situation, or worse, fighting on the terraces.

FIFA just have a stance on this kind of thing. Where does it end otherwise? Charities are ever more commercial now, even if their funds are for good causes.

Im pretty sure the Scottish FA couldnt publicly say they didnt want this if they didnt, not that I am suggesting they dont.

Wars are controversial, leave it out of sport if that is the approach FIFA have gone for.

Im in line with Phil - i dont feel overly strongly about it, it doesnt offend me, but the outrage as though Fifa are insulting our war veterans is tiresome.

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